A transcript of President Donald Trump’s name with Brad Raffensperger is proven under, through the Washington Publish:
White Home Chief of Employees Mark Meadows: Okay. Alright. Mr. President, everyone seems to be on the road. That is Mark Meadows, the chief of employees. Simply so all of us are conscious. On the road is secretary of state and two different people. Jordan and Mr. Germany with him. You even have the attorneys that symbolize the president, Kurt and Alex and Cleta Mitchell — who will not be the lawyer of report however has been concerned — myself after which the president. So Mr. President, I’ll flip it over to you.
President Donald Trump: Okay, thanks very a lot. Good day Brad and Ryan and all people. We admire the time and the decision. So we’ve spent loads of time on this, and if we might simply go over a number of the numbers, I feel it’s fairly clear that we received. We received very considerably in Georgia. You even see it by rally measurement, frankly. We’d be getting 25-30,000 individuals a rally, and the competitors would get lower than 100 individuals. And it by no means made sense.
However we’ve quite a few issues. We have now at the least 2 or 3 — anyplace from 250 to 300,000 ballots had been dropped mysteriously into the rolls. A lot of that needed to do with Fulton County, which hasn’t been checked. We predict that in case you verify the signatures — an actual verify of the signatures going again in Fulton County — you’ll discover at the least a few hundred thousand of solid signatures of people that have been solid. And we’re fairly positive that’s going to occur.
One other super quantity. We’re going to have an correct quantity over the following two days with licensed accountants. However an correct quantity will probably be given, nevertheless it’s within the 50s of 1000’s — and that’s those that went to vote and so they had been advised they’ll’t vote as a result of they’ve already been voted for. And it’s a really unhappy factor. They walked out complaining. However the quantity’s massive. We’ll have it for you. But it surely’s far more than the variety of 11,779 that’s — the present margin is barely 11,779. Brad, I feel you agree with that, proper? That’s one thing I feel everybody — at the least that’s a quantity that everybody agrees on.
However that’s the distinction within the votes. However we’ve had a whole lot of 1000’s of ballots that we’re in a position to really — we’ll get you a fairly correct quantity. You don’t want a lot of a quantity as a result of the quantity that in concept I misplaced by, the margin could be 11,779. However you even have a considerable numbers of individuals, 1000’s and 1000’s, who went to the voting place on November 3, had been advised they couldn’t vote, had been advised they couldn’t vote as a result of a poll had been placed on their title. And you understand that’s very, very, very, very unhappy.
We had, I consider it’s about 4,502 voters who voted however who weren’t on the voter registration listing, so it’s 4,502 who voted, however they weren’t on the voter registration roll, which they needed to be. You had 18,325 vacant handle voters. The handle was vacant, and so they’re not allowed to be counted. That’s 18,325.
Smaller quantity — you had 904 who solely voted the place that they had only a P.O. — a publish workplace field quantity — and so they had a publish workplace field quantity, and that’s not allowed. We had at the least 18,000 — that’s on tape, we had them counted very painstakingly — 18,000 voters having to do with [name]. She’s a vote scammer, an expert vote scammer and hustler [name]. That was the tape that’s been proven all around the world that makes all people look unhealthy, you, me and all people else.
The place they received — primary they mentioned very clearly and it’s been reported that they mentioned there was a significant water foremost break. All people fled the world. After which they got here again, [name] and her daughter and some individuals. There have been no Republican ballot watchers. Truly, there have been no Democrat ballot watchers, I assume they had been them. However there have been no Democrats, both, and there was no regulation enforcement. Late within the morning, early within the morning, they went to the desk with the black gown and the black protect, and so they pulled out the votes. These votes had been put there quite a few hours earlier than — the desk was put there — I feel it was, Brad, you’d know, it was in all probability eight hours or seven hours earlier than, after which it was filled with votes.
They weren’t in an official voter field; they had been in what seemed to be suitcases or trunks, suitcases, however they weren’t in voter bins. The minimal quantity it could possibly be as a result of we watched it, and so they watched it licensed in sluggish movement on the spot replay in case you can consider it, however sluggish movement, and it was magnified many occasions over, and the minimal it was 18,000 ballots, all for Biden.
You had out-of-state voters. They voted in Georgia, however they had been from out of state, of 4,925. You had absentee ballots despatched to vacant, they had been absentee ballots despatched to vacant addresses. That they had nothing on them about addresses, that’s 2,326.
And also you had dropboxes, which may be very unhealthy. You had dropboxes that had been picked up. We have now pictures, and we’ve affidavits from many individuals.
I don’t know in case you noticed the hearings, however you’ve dropboxes the place the field was picked up however not delivered for 3 days. So all kinds of issues might have occurred to that field, together with, you understand, placing within the votes that you just needed. So there have been many infractions, and the underside line is, many, many occasions the 11,779 margin that they mentioned we misplaced by — we had huge, I imply the state is in turmoil over this.
And I do know you want to resolve it, though I noticed you on tv at this time, and also you mentioned that you just discovered nothing incorrect. I imply, you understand, and I didn’t lose the state, Brad. Individuals have been saying that it was the best vote ever. There was no approach. A variety of the political individuals mentioned that there’s no approach they beat me. And so they beat me. They beat me within the . . . As you understand, each single state, we received each state. We received each statehouse within the nation. We held the Senate, which is stunning to individuals, though we’ll see what occurs tomorrow or in a couple of days.
And we received the Home, however we received each single statehouse, and we received Congress, which was alleged to lose 15 seats, and so they gained, I feel 16 or 17 or one thing. I feel there’s a now distinction of 5. There was alleged to be a distinction considerably extra. However politicians in each state, however politicians in Georgia have given affidavits and are going to that, that there was no approach that they beat me within the election, that the individuals got here out, actually, they had been anticipating to lose, after which they ended up successful by rather a lot due to the coattails. And so they mentioned there’s no approach, that they’ve performed many polls previous to the election, that there was no approach that they received.
Ballots had been dropped in large numbers. And we’re attempting to get to these numbers and we can have them.
They’ll take a time period. Licensed. However however they’re large numbers. And much higher than the 11,779.
The opposite factor, lifeless individuals. So lifeless individuals voted, and I feel the quantity is shut to five,000 individuals. And so they went to obituaries. They went to all kinds of strategies to give you an correct quantity, and a minimal is near about 5,000 voters.
The underside line is, once you add all of it up and then you definately begin including, you understand, 300,000 pretend ballots. Then the opposite factor they mentioned is in Fulton County and different areas. And this will likely or might not be true . . . this simply got here up this morning, that they’re burning their ballots, that they’re shredding, shredding ballots and eradicating gear. They’re altering the gear on the Dominion machines and, you understand, that’s not authorized.
And so they supposedly shredded I feel they mentioned 300 kilos of, 3,000 kilos of ballots. And that simply got here to us as a report at this time. And it’s a very unhappy scenario.
However Brad, in case you took the minimal numbers the place many, many occasions above the 11,779, and lots of of these numbers are licensed, or they are going to be licensed, however they’re licensed. And people are numbers which can be there, that exist. And that beat the margin of loss, they beat it, I imply, by rather a lot, and folks ought to be joyful to have an correct depend as an alternative of an election the place there’s turmoil.
I imply there’s turmoil in Georgia and different locations. You’re not the one one, I imply, we’ve different states that I consider will probably be flipping to us very shortly. And that is one thing that — you understand, for instance, I feel it in Detroit, I feel there’s a bit, an excellent part of your state really, which we’re undecided so we’re not going to report it but. However in Detroit, we had, I feel it was, 139 % of the individuals voted. That’s not too good.
In Pennsylvania, that they had nicely over 200,000 extra votes than that they had individuals voting. And that doesn’t play too nicely, and the legislature there may be, which is Republican, is extraordinarily activist and indignant. I imply, there have been different issues additionally that had been virtually as unhealthy as that. However that they had for instance, in Michigan, an incredible variety of lifeless those that voted. I feel it was, I feel, Mark, it was 18,000. Some unbelievably excessive quantity, a lot greater than yours, you had been within the 4-5,000 class.
And that was checked out laboriously by going by way of, by going by way of the obituary columns within the newspapers.
So I assume with all of it being mentioned, Brad, the underside line, and provisional ballots, once more, you understand, you’ll have to inform me in regards to the provisional ballots, however we’ve lots of people that had been complaining that they weren’t in a position to vote as a result of they had been already voted for. These are nice individuals.
And, you understand, they had been shellshocked. I don’t know in case you name that provisional ballots. In some states, we had loads of provisional poll conditions the place individuals got a provisional poll as a result of once they walked in on November 3 and so they had been already voted for.
In order that’s it. I imply, we’ve many, many occasions the variety of votes essential to win the state. And we received the state, and we received it very considerably and simply, and we’re getting, we’ve, a lot of this can be a very licensed, way more licensed than we want. However we’re getting further numbers licensed, too. And we’re getting footage of dropboxes being delivered and delivered late. Delivered three days later, in some instances, plus we’ve many affidavits to that impact.
Meadows: So, Mr. President, if I would be capable to leap in, and I’ll give Brad an opportunity. Mr. Secretary, clearly there may be, there are allegations the place we consider that not each vote or honest vote and authorized vote was counted, and that’s at odds with the illustration from the secretary of state’s workplace.
What I’m eager for is there a way that we will, we will discover some type of settlement to take a look at this just a little bit extra totally? You realize the president talked about Fulton County.
However in a few of these areas the place there appears to be a distinction of the place the information appear to steer, and so Mr. Secretary, I used to be hopeful that, you understand, within the spirit of cooperation and compromise, is there one thing that we will at the least have a dialogue to take a look at a few of these allegations to discover a path ahead that’s much less litigious?
Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger: Effectively, I listened to what the president has simply mentioned. President Trump, we’ve had a number of lawsuits, and we’ve needed to reply in courtroom to the lawsuits and the contentions. We don’t agree that you’ve got received. And we don’t — I didn’t agree in regards to the 200,000 quantity that you just’d talked about. I’ll undergo that time by level.
What we’ve performed is we gave our state Senate about one and a half hours of our time going by way of the election subject by subject after which on the state Home, the federal government affairs committee, we gave them about two and a half hours of our time, going again level by level on all the problems of competition. After which only a few days in the past, we met with our U.S. congressmen, Republican congressmen, and we gave them about two hours of our time speaking about this previous election. Going again, primarily what you’ve talked about right here targeted in on primarily, I consider, is the absentee poll course of. I don’t consider that you just’re actually questioning the Dominion machines. As a result of we did a hand re-tally, a 100% re-tally of all of the ballots, and in contrast them to what the machines mentioned and got here up with just about the identical end result. Then we did the recount, and we received just about the identical end result. So I assume we will in all probability take that off the desk.
I don’t suppose there’s a difficulty about that.
Trump: Effectively, Brad. Not that there’s not a difficulty, as a result of we’ve a giant subject with Dominion in different states and maybe in yours. However we haven’t felt we would have liked to go there. And simply to, you understand, perhaps put just a little completely different spin on what Mark is saying, Mark Meadows, yeah we’d prefer to go additional, however we don’t really want to. We have now all of the votes we want.
You realize, we received the state. For those who took, these are essentially the most minimal numbers, the numbers that I gave you, these are numbers which can be licensed, your absentee ballots despatched to vacant addresses, your out-of-state voters, 4,925. You realize once you add them up, it’s many extra occasions, it’s many occasions the 11,779 quantity. So we might undergo, we’ve not gone by way of your Dominion. So we will’t give them blessing. I imply, in different states, we expect we discovered super corruption with Dominion machines, however we’ll must see.
However we solely misplaced the state by that quantity, 11,000 votes, and 779. So with that being mentioned, with simply what we’ve, with simply what we’ve, we’re supplying you with minimal, minimal numbers. We’re doing essentially the most conservative numbers attainable; we’re many occasions, many, many occasions above the margin. And so we don’t actually must, Mark, I don’t suppose we’ve to undergo . . .
Trump: As a result of what’s the distinction between successful the election by two votes and successful it by half one million votes. I feel I in all probability did win it by half one million. You realize, one of many issues that occurred, Brad, is we’ve different individuals coming in now from Alabama and from South Carolina and from different states, and so they’re saying it’s unattainable so that you can have misplaced Georgia. We received. You realize in Alabama, we set a report, received the best vote ever. In Georgia, we set a report with a large quantity of votes. And so they say it’s not attainable to have misplaced Georgia.
And I might inform you by our rallies. I might inform you by the rally I’m having on Monday night time, the place, they have already got strains of individuals standing out entrance ready. It’s simply not attainable to have misplaced Georgia. It’s not attainable. Once I heard it was shut, I mentioned there’s no approach. However they dropped loads of votes in there late at night time. You realize that, Brad. And that’s what we’re engaged on very, very stringently. However no matter these votes, with all of it being mentioned, we misplaced by basically 11,000 votes, and we’ve many extra votes already calculated and licensed, too.
And so I simply don’t know, you understand, Mark, I don’t know what’s the aim. I received’t give Dominion a go as a result of we discovered too many unhealthy issues. However we don’t want Dominion or anything. We have now received this election in Georgia based mostly on all of this. And there’s nothing incorrect with saying that, Brad. You realize, I imply, having the proper — the individuals of Georgia are indignant. And these numbers are going to be repeated on Monday night time. Together with others that we’re going to have by that point, that are far more substantial even. And the individuals of Georgia are indignant, the individuals of the nation are indignant. And there’s nothing incorrect with saying that, you understand, that you just’ve recalculated. As a result of the two,236 in absentee ballots. I imply, they’re all actual numbers that had been performed by accounting corporations, regulation corporations, and many others. And even in case you reduce ’em in half, reduce ’em in half and reduce ’em in half once more, it’s extra votes than we want.
Raffensperger: Effectively, Mr. President, the problem that you’ve got is the info you’ve is incorrect. We talked to the congressmen, and so they had been shocked.
However they — I assume there was an individual named Mr. Braynard who got here to those conferences and offered information, and he mentioned that there was lifeless individuals, I consider it was upward of 5,000. The precise quantity had been two. Two. Two those that had been lifeless that voted. In order that’s incorrect.
Trump: Effectively, Cleta, how do you reply to that? Possibly you inform me?
Trump lawyer Cleta Mitchell: Effectively, I’d say, Mr. Secretary, one of many issues that we’ve requested and what we mentioned was, in case you look, in case you learn our petition, it mentioned that we took the names and start years, and we had sure data obtainable to us. We have now requested out of your workplace for data that solely you’ve, and so we mentioned there’s a universe of people that have the identical title and identical start 12 months and died.
However we don’t have the data that you’ve got. And one of many issues that we’ve been suggesting formally and informally for weeks now’s so that you can make obtainable to us the data that may be crucial —
Trump: However, Cleta, even earlier than you try this, and never even together with that, that’s why I hardly even included that quantity, though in a single state, we’ve an incredible quantity of lifeless individuals. So I don’t know — I’m positive we do in Georgia, too. I’m positive we do in Georgia, too.
However we’re to date forward. We’re to date forward of those numbers, even the phony ballots of [name] , recognized scammer. You realize the Web? You realize what was trending on the Web? “The place’s [name]?” As a result of they thought she’d be in jail. “The place’s [name]?” It’s loopy, it’s loopy. That was. The minimal quantity is eighteen,000 for [name] , however they suppose it’s in all probability about 56,000, however the minimal quantity is eighteen,000 on the [name] night time the place she ran again in there when all people was gone and stuffed, she stuffed the poll bins. Let’s face it, Brad, I imply. They did it in sluggish movement replay magnified, proper? She stuffed the poll bins. They had been stuffed like no person has ever seen them stuffed earlier than.
So there’s a time period for it when it’s a machine as an alternative of a poll field, however she stuffed the machine. She stuffed the poll. Every poll went thrice, they had been displaying: Right here’s poll No 1. Right here it’s a second time, third time, subsequent poll.
I imply, look. Brad. We have now a brand new tape that we’re going to launch. It’s devastating. And by the best way, that one occasion, that one occasion is far more than the 11,000 votes that we’re speaking about. It’s, you understand, that one occasion was a catastrophe. And it’s simply, you understand, nevertheless it was, it was one thing, it may’t be disputed. And once more, we’ve a model that you just haven’t seen, nevertheless it’s magnified. It’s magnified, and you may see the whole lot. For some cause, they put it in thrice, every poll, and I don’t know why. I don’t know why thrice. Why not 5 occasions, proper? Go forward.
Raffensperger: You’re speaking in regards to the State Farm video. And I feel it’s extraordinarily unlucky that Rudy Giuliani or his individuals, they sliced and diced that video and took it out of context. The subsequent day, we introduced in WSB-TV, and we allow them to present, see the total run of tape, and what you’ll see, the occasions that transpired are nowhere close to what was projected by, you understand —
Trump: However the place had been the ballot watchers, Brad? There have been no ballot watchers there. There have been no Democrats or Republicans. There was no safety there.
It was late within the night, late within the, early within the morning, and there was no person else within the room. The place had been the ballot watchers, and why did they are saying a water foremost broke, which they did and which was reported within the newspapers? They mentioned they left. They ran out due to a water foremost break, and there was no water foremost. There was nothing. There was no break. There was no water foremost break. However we’re, in case you take out the whole lot, the place had been the Republican ballot watchers, even the place had been the Democrat pollwatchers, as a result of there have been none.
And then you definately say, nicely, they left their station, you understand, in case you have a look at the tape, and this was, this was reviewed by skilled police and detectives and different individuals, once they left in a rush, all people left in a rush due to the water foremost, however all people left in a rush. These individuals left their station.
Once they got here again, they didn’t go to their station. They went to the apron, wrapped across the desk, beneath which had been 1000’s and 1000’s of ballots in a field that was not an official or a sealed field. After which they took these. They went again to a unique station. So if they’d have come again, they’d have walked to their station, and they’d have continued to work. However they couldn’t do even that as a result of that’s unlawful, as a result of that they had no Republican pollwatchers. And keep in mind, her popularity is — she’s recognized all around the Web, Brad. She’s recognized throughout.
I’m telling you, “The place’s [name] ” was one of many scorching objects . . . [name] They knew her. “The place’s [name]?” So Brad, there may be no justification for that. And I, you understand, I give all people the good thing about the doubt. However that was — and Brad, why did they put the votes in thrice? You realize, they put ’em in thrice.
Raffensperger: Mr. President, they didn’t put that. We did an audit of that, and we proved conclusively that they weren’t scanned thrice.
Trump: The place was all people else at that late time within the morning? The place was all people? The place had been the Republicans? The place had been the safety guards? Have been the those that had been there just a bit whereas earlier than when everybody ran out of the room. How come we had no safety within the room. Why did they run to the underside of the desk? Why do they run there and simply open the skirt and rip out the votes. I imply, Brad. And so they had been sitting there, I feel for 5 hours or one thing like that, the votes.
Raffensperger: Mr. President, we’ll ship you the hyperlink from WSB.
Trump: I don’t care in regards to the hyperlink. I don’t want it. Brad, I’ve a a lot better —
Mitchell: I’ll inform you. I’ve seen the tape. The total tape. So has Alex. We’ve watched it. And what we noticed and what we’ve confirmed within the timing is that they made all people depart — we’ve sworn affidavits saying that. After which they started to course of ballots. And our estimate is that there have been roughly 18,000 ballots. We don’t know that. If you understand that . . .
Trump: It was 18,000 ballots, however they used every one thrice.
Mitchell: Effectively, I don’t find out about that.
Trump: I do suppose we had ours magnified out.
Mitchell: I’ve watched the whole tape.
Trump: No one could make a case for that, Brad. No one. I imply, look, you’d must be a toddler to suppose something aside from that. Only a little one.
Mitchell: What number of ballots, Mr. Secretary, are you saying had been processed then?
Raffensperger: We had GBI . . . examine that.
Germany: We had our — that is Ryan Germany. We had our regulation enforcement officers discuss to everybody who was, who was there after that occasion got here to mild. GBI was with them in addition to FBI brokers.
Trump: Effectively, there’s no approach they might — then they’re incompetent. They’re both dishonest or incompetent, okay?
Mitchell: Effectively, what did they discover?
Trump: There’s solely two solutions, dishonesty or incompetence. There’s simply no approach. Look. There’s no approach. And on the opposite factor, I mentioned too, there isn’t any approach. I imply, there’s no approach that these items might have been, you understand, you’ve all these completely different those that voted, however they don’t stay in Georgia anymore. What was that quantity, Cleta? That was a fairly good quantity, too.
Mitchell: The quantity who’ve registered out of state after they moved from Georgia. And they also had a date once they moved from Georgia, they registered to vote out of state, after which it’s like 4,500, I don’t have that quantity proper in entrance of me.
Trump: After which they got here again in, and so they voted.
Mitchell: And voted. Yeah.
Trump: I assumed that was a big quantity, although. It was within the 20s.
Ryan Germany, Raffensberger’s Common Counsel: We’ve been going by way of every of these as nicely, and people numbers that we received, that Ms. Mitchell was simply saying, they’re not correct. Each one we’ve been by way of are those that lived in Georgia, moved to a unique state, however then moved again to Georgia legitimately. And in lots of instances —
Trump: How could individuals try this? They moved out, after which they mentioned, “Ah, to hell with it, I’ll transfer again.” You realize, it doesn’t sound like a really regular . . . you imply, they moved out, and what, they missed it a lot that they needed to maneuver again in? It’s loopy.
Germany: They moved again in years in the past. This was not like one thing simply earlier than the election. So there’s one thing about that information that, it’s simply not correct.
Trump: Effectively, I don’t know, all I do know is that it’s licensed. And so they moved out of Georgia, and so they voted. It didn’t say they moved again in, Cleta, did it?
Mitchell: No, however I imply, we’re trying on the voter registration. Once more, you probably have further data, we’ve been asking for that, however you haven’t shared any of that with us. You simply hold saying you investigated the allegations.
Trump: Cleta, loads of it you don’t must be shared. I imply, to be sincere, they need to share it. They need to share it since you wish to get to an sincere election.
I received this election by a whole lot of 1000’s of votes. There’s no approach I misplaced Georgia. There’s no approach. We received by a whole lot of 1000’s of votes. I’m simply going by small numbers, once you add them up, they’re many occasions the 11,000. However I received that state by a whole lot of 1000’s of votes.
Do you suppose it’s attainable that they shredded ballots in Fulton County? As a result of that’s what the rumor is. And likewise that Dominion took out machines. That Dominion is admittedly shifting quick to eliminate their, uh, equipment.
Have you learnt something about that? As a result of that’s unlawful, proper?
Germany: That is Ryan Germany. No, Dominion has not moved any equipment out of Fulton County.
Trump: However have they moved the internal elements of the machines and changed them with different elements?
Trump: Are you positive, Ryan?
Germany: I’m positive. I’m positive, Mr. President.
Trump: What about, what in regards to the ballots. The shredding of the ballots. Have they been shredding ballots?
Germany: The one investigation that we’ve into that — they haven’t been shredding any ballots. There was a difficulty in Cobb County the place they had been doing regular workplace shredding, eliminating outdated stuff, and we investigated that. However these items from, you understand, from you understand previous elections.
Trump: It doesn’t go the odor check as a result of we hear they’re shredding 1000’s and 1000’s of ballots, and now what they’re saying, “Oh, we’re simply cleansing up the workplace.” You realize.
Raffensperger: Mr. President, the issue you’ve with social media, they — individuals can say something.
Trump: Oh this isn’t social media. That is Trump media. It’s not social media. It’s actually not; it’s not social media. I don’t care about social media. I couldn’t care much less. Social media is Large Tech. Large Tech is in your facet, you understand. I don’t even know why you’ve a facet since you ought to wish to have an correct election. And also you’re a Republican.
Raffensperger: We consider that we do have an correct election.
Trump: No, no you don’t. No, no you don’t. You don’t have. Not even shut. You’re off by a whole lot of 1000’s of votes. And simply on the small numbers, you’re off on these numbers, and these numbers can’t be simply — nicely, why wont? — Okay. So that you despatched us into Cobb County for signature verification, proper? You despatched us into Cobb County, which we didn’t wish to go into. And also you mentioned it will be open to the general public. So we had our consultants there, they weren’t allowed into the room. However we didn’t need Cobb County. We needed Fulton County. And also you wouldn’t give it to us. Now, why aren’t we doing signature — and why can’t or not it’s open to the general public?
And why can’t we’ve professionals do it as an alternative of rank amateurs who won’t ever discover something and don’t wish to discover something? They don’t wish to discover, you understand they don’t wish to discover something. Sometime you’ll inform me the explanation why, as a result of I don’t perceive your reasoning, however sometime you’ll inform me the explanation why. However why don’t you wish to discover?
Germany: Mr. President, we selected Cobb County —
Trump: Why don’t you wish to discover . . . What?
Germany: Sorry, go forward.
Trump: So why did you do Cobb County? We didn’t even request — we requested Fulton County, not Cobb County. Go forward, please. Go forward.
Germany: We selected Cobb County as a result of that was the one county the place there’s been any proof submitted that the signature verification was not correctly performed.
Trump: No, however I advised you. We’re not, we’re not saying that.
Mitchell: We did say that.
Trump: Fulton County. Look. Stacey, in my view, Stacey is as dishonest as they arrive. She has outplayed you . . . at the whole lot. She received you to signal a completely unconstitutional settlement, which is a disastrous settlement. You possibly can’t verify signatures. I can’t think about you’re allowed to do harvesting, I assume, in that settlement. That settlement is a catastrophe for this nation. However she received you someway to signal that factor, and he or she has outsmarted you at each step.
And I hate to think about what’s going to occur on Monday or Tuesday, nevertheless it’s very scary to individuals. You realize, when the ballots movement in out of nowhere. It’s very scary to individuals. That consent decree is a catastrophe. It’s a catastrophe. An excellent lawyer who examined it mentioned they’ve by no means seen something prefer it.
Raffensperger: Harvesting continues to be unlawful within the state of Georgia. And that settlement settlement didn’t change that one iota.
Trump: It’s not a settlement settlement, it’s a consent decree. It even says consent decree on it, doesn’t it? It makes use of the time period consent decree. It doesn’t say settlement settlement. It’s a consent decree. It’s a catastrophe.
Raffensperger: It’s a settlement settlement.
Trump: What’s written on prime of it?
Germany: I don’t have it in entrance of me, nevertheless it was not entered by the courtroom, it’s not a courtroom order.
Trump: However Ryan, it’s known as a consent decree, is that proper? On the paper. Is that proper?
Germany: I don’t. I don’t. I don’t consider so, however I don’t have it in entrance of me.
Trump: Okay, no matter, it’s a catastrophe. It’s a catastrophe. Look. Right here’s the issue. We are able to undergo signature verification, and we’ll discover a whole lot of 1000’s of signatures, in case you allow us to do it. And the one approach you are able to do it, as you understand, is to go to the previous. However you didn’t try this in Cobb County. You simply checked out one web page in comparison with one other. The one approach you are able to do a signature verification is go from the one which signed it on November no matter. Lately. And examine it to 2 years in the past, 4 years in the past, six years in the past, you understand, and even one. And also you’ll discover that you’ve got many alternative signatures. However in Fulton, the place they dumped ballots, you’ll discover that you’ve got many who aren’t even signed and you’ve got many which can be forgeries.
Okay, you understand that. You realize that. You haven’t any doubt about that. And you’ll discover you may be at 11,779 inside minutes as a result of Fulton County is completely corrupt, and so is she completely corrupt.
And so they’re going round enjoying you and laughing at you behind your again, Brad, whether or not you understand it or not, they’re laughing at you. And also you’ve taken a state that’s a Republican state, and also you’ve made it virtually unattainable for a Republican to win due to dishonest, as a result of they cheated like no person’s ever cheated earlier than. And I don’t care how lengthy it takes me, you understand, we’re going to produce other states coming ahead — fairly good.
However I received’t . . . that is by no means . . . that is . . . We have now some unbelievable expertise mentioned they’ve by no means seen something . . . Now the issue is that they want extra time for the large numbers. However they’re very substantial numbers. However I feel you’re going to effective that they — by the best way, just a little data — I feel you’re going to seek out that they’re shredding ballots as a result of they must eliminate the ballots as a result of the ballots are unsigned. The ballots are corrupt, and so they’re model new, and so they don’t have seals, and there’s an entire factor with the ballots. However the ballots are corrupt.
And you will discover that they’re — which is completely unlawful — it’s extra unlawful for you than it’s for them as a result of, you understand, what they did and also you’re not reporting it. That’s a prison, that’s a prison offense. And you may’t let that occur. That’s a giant danger to you and to Ryan, your lawyer. And that’s a giant danger. However they’re shredding ballots, in my view, based mostly on what I’ve heard. And they’re eradicating equipment, and so they’re shifting it as quick as they’ll, each of that are prison finds. And you may’t let it occur, and you’re letting it occur. You realize, I imply, I’m notifying you that you just’re letting it occur. So look. All I wish to do is that this. I simply wish to discover 11,780 votes, which is yet one more than we’ve as a result of we received the state.
And flipping the state is a good testomony to our nation as a result of, you understand, that is — it’s a testomony that they’ll admit to a mistake or no matter you wish to name it. If it was a mistake, I don’t know. Lots of people suppose it wasn’t a mistake. It was far more prison than that. But it surely’s a giant drawback in Georgia, and it’s not an issue that’s going away. I imply, you understand, it’s not an issue that’s going away.
Germany: That is Ryan. We’re trying into each a kind of issues that you just talked about.
Trump: Good. However in case you discover it, you’ve received to say it, Ryan.
Germany: . . . Let me inform you what we’re seeing. What we’re seeing is under no circumstances what you’re describing. These are investigators from our workplace, these are investigators from GBI, and so they’re trying, and so they’re good. And that’s not what they’re seeing. And we’ll hold trying, in any respect these items.
Trump: Effectively, you higher verify on the ballots as a result of they’re shredding ballots, Ryan. I’m simply telling you, Ryan. They’re shredding ballots. And it’s best to have a look at that very rigorously. As a result of that’s so unlawful. You realize, it’s possible you’ll not even consider it as a result of it’s so unhealthy. However they’re shredding ballots as a result of they suppose we’re going to ultimately get there . . . as a result of we’ll ultimately get into Fulton. In my view, it’s by no means too late. . . . So, that’s the story. Look, we want solely 11,000 votes. We have now are way over that because it stands now. We’ll have an increasing number of. And . . . do you’ve provisional ballots in any respect, Brad? Provisional ballots?
Raffensperger: Provisional ballots are allowed by state regulation.
Trump: Certain, however I imply, are they counted, or did you simply maintain them again as a result of they, you understand, in different phrases, what number of provisional ballots do you’ve within the state?
Raffensperger: We’ll get you that quantity.
Trump: As a result of most of them are made out to the title Trump. As a result of these are those that had been scammed once they got here in. And we’ve 1000’s of those that have testified or that wish to testify. Once they got here in, they had been proudly going to vote on November 3. And so they had been advised, “I’m sorry, you’ve already been voted for, you’ve already voted.” The ladies, males began screaming, “No. I proudly voted until November 3.” They mentioned, “I’m sorry, however you’ve already been voted for, and you’ve got a poll.” And these persons are beside themselves. In order that they went out, and so they stuffed in a provisional poll, placing the title Trump on it.
And what about that batch of navy ballots that got here in. And regardless that I received the navy by rather a lot, it was 100% Trump. I imply 100% Biden. Have you learnt about that? A big group of ballots got here in, I feel it was to Fulton County, and so they simply occurred to be 100% for Trump — for Biden — regardless that Trump received the navy by rather a lot, you understand, an incredible quantity. However these ballots had been 100% for Biden. And are you aware about that? A really substantial quantity got here in, all for Biden. Does anyone find out about it?
Mitchell: I find out about it, however —
Trump: Okay, Cleta, I’m not asking you, Cleta, truthfully. I’m asking Brad. Have you learnt in regards to the navy ballots that we’ve confirmed now. Have you learnt in regards to the navy ballots that got here in that had been 100%, I imply 100%, for Biden. Have you learnt about that?
Germany: I don’t find out about that. I do know that we’ve, when navy ballots are available, it’s not simply navy, it’s additionally navy and abroad residents. The navy a part of that does typically go Republican. The abroad citizen a part of it typically goes very Democrat. This was a mixture of ’em.
Trump: No, however this was. That’s okay. However I received like 78 % of the navy. These ballots had been all for . . . They didn’t inform me abroad. Might be abroad, too, however I get votes abroad, too, Ryan, in all equity. No they got here in, a big batch got here in, and it was, quote, 100% for Biden. And that’s prison. You realize, that’s prison. Okay. That’s one other prison, that’s one other of the numerous prison occasions, many prison occasions right here.
I don’t know, look, Brad. I received to get . . . I’ve to seek out 12,000 votes, and I’ve them occasions rather a lot. And due to this fact, I received the state. That’s earlier than we go to the following step, which is within the means of proper now. You realize, and I watched you this morning, and also you mentioned, nicely, there was no criminality.
However I imply all of these items may be very harmful stuff. If you discuss no criminality, I feel it’s very harmful so that you can say that.
I simply, I simply don’t know why you don’t wish to have the votes counted as they’re. Like even you once you went and did that verify. And I used to be shocked as a result of, you understand . . . And we discovered a couple of thousand votes that had been towards me. I used to be really shocked as a result of the best way that verify was performed, all you’re doing, you understand, recertifying current votes and, you understand, and you got votes and also you simply counted them up, and you continue to discovered 3,000 that had been unhealthy. In order that was type of stunning that it got here down to a few or 5, I don’t know. Nonetheless loads of votes. However it’s important to return to verify from previous years with respect to signatures. And in case you verify with Fulton County, you’ll have a whole lot of 1000’s as a result of they dumped ballots into Fulton County and the opposite county subsequent to it.
So what are we going to do right here, people? I solely want 11,000 votes. Fellas, I would like 11,000 votes. Give me a break. You realize, we’ve that in spades already. Or we will hold it going, however that’s not honest to the voters of Georgia as a result of they’re going to see what occurred, and so they’re going to see what occurred. I imply, I’ll, I’ll tackle anyone you need with regard to [name] and her pretty daughter, a really pretty younger woman, I’m positive. However, however [name] . . . I’ll tackle anyone you need. And the minimal, there have been 18,000 ballots, however they used them thrice. In order that’s, you understand, loads of votes. And so they had been all to Biden, by the best way, that’s the opposite factor we didn’t say. You realize, [name] , the one factor I forgot to say, which was an important. You realize that each single poll she did went to Biden. You realize that, proper? Have you learnt that, by the best way, Brad?
Each single poll that she did by way of the machines at early, early within the morning went to Biden. Do you know that, Ryan?
Germany: That’s not correct, Mr. President.
Trump: Huh. What’s correct?
Germany: The numbers that we’re displaying are correct.
Trump: No, about [name] . About early within the morning, Ryan. The place the lady took, you understand, when the entire gang took the stuff from beneath the desk, proper? Have you learnt, are you aware who these ballots, are you aware who they had been made out to, are you aware who they had been voting for?
Germany: No, not particularly.
Trump: Did you ever verify?
Germany: We did what I described to you earlier —
Trump: No no no — did you ever verify the ballots that had been scanned by [name] , a recognized political operative, balloteer? Did ever verify who these votes had been for?
Germany: We seemed into that scenario that you just described.
Trump: No, they had been 100% for Biden. 100%. There wasn’t a Trump vote in the entire group. Why don’t you wish to discover this, Ryan? What’s incorrect with you? I heard your lawyer may be very tough, really, however I’m positive you’re an excellent lawyer. You might have a pleasant final title.
However, however I’m simply curious, why wouldn’t, why do you retain preventing this factor? It simply doesn’t make sense. We’re approach over the 17,779, proper? We’re approach over that quantity, and simply in case you took simply [name] , we’re over that quantity by 5, 5 – 6 occasions once you multiply that occasions three.
And each single poll went to Biden, and also you didn’t know that, however now you understand it. So inform me, Brad, what are we going to do? We received the election, and it’s not honest to take it away from us like this. And it’s going to be very expensive in some ways. And I feel it’s important to say that you just’re going to reexamine it, and you may reexamine it, however reexamine it with those that wish to discover solutions, not those that don’t wish to discover solutions. As an example, I’m listening to Ryan that he’s in all probability, I’m positive an important lawyer and the whole lot, however he’s making statements about these ballots that he doesn’t know. However he’s making them with such — he did make them with surety. However now I feel he’s much less positive as a result of the reply is, all of them went to Biden, and that alone wins us the election by rather a lot. You realize, so.
Raffensperger: Mr. President, you’ve those that submit data, and we’ve our those that submit data. After which it comes earlier than the courtroom, and the courtroom then has to make a willpower. We have now to face by our numbers. We consider our numbers are proper.
Trump: Why do you say that, although? I don’t know. I imply, positive, we will play this sport with the courts, however why do you say that? To start with, they don’t even assign us a choose. They don’t even assign us a choose. However why wouldn’t you . . . Hey Brad, why wouldn’t you wish to take a look at [name] ? And why wouldn’t you wish to say, hey, if actually, President Trump is correct about that, then he wins the state of Georgia, simply that one incident alone with out going by way of a whole lot of 1000’s of dropped ballots. You simply say, you stick by, I imply I’ve been watching you, you understand, you don’t care about something. “Your numbers are proper.” However your numbers aren’t proper. They’re actually incorrect, and so they’re actually incorrect, Brad. And I do know this cellphone name goes nowhere aside from, aside from finally, you understand — Look, finally, I win, okay? Since you guys are so incorrect. And also you handled this. You handled the inhabitants of Georgia so badly. You, between you and your governor, who’s down at 21, he was down 21 factors. And like a schmuck, I endorsed him, and he received elected, however I’ll inform you, he’s a catastrophe.
The persons are so indignant in Georgia, I can’t think about he’s ever getting elected once more, I’ll inform you that a lot proper now. However why wouldn’t you wish to discover the suitable reply, Brad, as an alternative of hold saying that the numbers are proper? ’Trigger these numbers are so incorrect?
Mitchell: Mr. Secretary, Mr. President, one of many issues that we’ve been, Alex can discuss this, we talked about it, and I don’t know whether or not the data has been conveyed to your workplace, however I feel what the president is saying, and what we’ve been attempting to do is to say, look, the courtroom will not be appearing on our petition. They haven’t even assigned a choose. However the individuals of Georgia and the individuals of America have a proper to know the solutions. And you’ve got information and data that we don’t have entry to.
And you may hold telling us and making public assertion that you just investigated this and nothing to see right here. However we don’t find out about that. All we all know is what you inform us. What I don’t perceive is why wouldn’t or not it’s in everybody’s finest curiosity to attempt to get to the underside, examine the numbers, you understand, in case you say, as a result of . . . to attempt to have the ability to get to the reality as a result of we don’t have any approach of confirming what you’re telling us. You inform us that you just had an investigation on the State Farm Area. I don’t have any report. I’ve by no means seen a report of investigation. I don’t know that’s. I’ve been fairly concerned on this, and I don’t know. And that’s simply one in every of 25 classes. And it doesn’t even. And as I, because the president mentioned, we haven’t even gotten into the Dominion subject. That’s not a part of our case. It’s not a part of, we simply didn’t really feel as if we had any to have the ability to develop —
Trump: No, we do have a approach, however I don’t wish to get into it. We discovered a approach . . . excuse me, however we don’t want it as a result of we’re solely down 11,000 votes, so we don’t even want it. I personally suppose they’re corrupt as hell. However we don’t want that. All we’ve to do, Cleta, is locate 11,000-plus votes. So we don’t want that. I’m not trying to shake up the entire world. We received Georgia simply. We received it by a whole lot of 1000’s of votes. However in case you go by primary, easy numbers, we received it simply, simply. So we’re not giving Dominion a go on the report. We don’t want Dominion as a result of we’ve so many different votes that we don’t have to show it any greater than we have already got.
Trump lawyer Kurt Hilbert: Mr. President and Cleta, that is Kurt Hilbert, if I would interject for a second. Ryan, I want to recommend that simply 4 classes which have already been talked about by the president which have really arduous numbers of 24,149 votes that had been counted illegally. That in and of itself is adequate to vary the outcomes or place the end result unsure. We want to sit down together with your workplace, and we will do it by way of functions of compromise and similar to this cellphone name, simply to take care of that restricted class of votes. And if you’ll be able to set up that our numbers are usually not correct, then effective. Nonetheless, we consider that they’re correct. We’ve had now three to 4 separate consultants taking a look at these numbers.
Trump: Licensed accountants checked out them.
Hilbert: Appropriate. And that is simply based mostly on USPS information and your individual secretary of state information. In order that’s what we’d entreat and ask you to do, to sit down down with us in a compromise and settlements continuing and truly undergo the registered voter IDs and the registrations. And in case you can persuade us that 24,149 is inaccurate, then effective. However we are inclined to consider that’s, you understand, clearly greater than 11,779. That’s adequate to vary the outcomes solely in and of itself. So what would you say to that, Mr. Germany?
Germany: I’m joyful to get with our legal professionals, and we’ll set that up. That quantity will not be correct. And I feel we will present you, for all those we’ve checked out, why it’s not. And so if that may be useful, I’m joyful to get with our legal professionals and set that up with you guys.
Trump: Effectively, let me ask you, Kurt, you suppose that’s an correct quantity. That was based mostly on the data given to you by the secretary of state’s division, proper?
Hilbert: That’s appropriate. That data is the minimal, most conservative information based mostly upon the USPS information and the secretary of state’s workplace information that has been made publicly obtainable. We wouldn’t have the interior numbers from the secretary of state. But we’ve requested for it six occasions. I despatched a letter over to . . . a number of occasions requesting this data, and it’s been rebuffed each single time. So it stands to cause that if the data will not be forthcoming, there’s one thing to cover. That’s the issue that we’ve.
Germany: Effectively, that’s not the case, sir. There are issues that you just guys are entitled to get. And there’s issues that beneath regulation, we’re not allowed to offer out.
Trump: Effectively, it’s important to. Effectively, beneath regulation, you’re not allowed to offer defective election outcomes, okay? You’re not allowed to try this. And that’s what you performed. It is a defective election end result. And truthfully, this could go very quick. You need to meet tomorrow as a result of you’ve a giant election developing, and due to what you’ve performed to the president — you understand, the individuals of Georgia know that this was a rip-off — and due to what you’ve performed to the president, lots of people aren’t going out to vote. And loads of Republicans are going to vote unfavourable as a result of they hate what you probably did to the president. Okay? They hate it. And so they’re going to vote. And you’d be revered. Actually revered, if this factor could possibly be straightened out earlier than the election. You might have a giant election developing on Tuesday. And I feel that it’s actually is vital that you just meet tomorrow and work out on these numbers. As a result of I do know, Brad, that in case you suppose we’re proper, I feel you’re going to say, and I’m not trying to blame anyone, I’m simply saying, you understand, and, you understand, beneath new counts, and beneath new views, of the election outcomes, we received the election. You realize? It’s quite simple. We received the election. Because the governors of main states and the encircling states mentioned, there isn’t any approach you misplaced Georgia. Because the Georgia politicians say, there isn’t any approach you misplaced Georgia. No one. Everybody is aware of I received it by a whole lot of 1000’s of votes. However I’ll inform you it’s going to have a big effect on Tuesday in case you guys don’t get this factor straightened out quick.
Meadows: Mr. President, that is Mark. It seems like we’ve received two completely different sides agreeing that we will have a look at these areas, and I assume that we will try this inside the subsequent 24 to 48 hours, to go forward and get that reconciled in order that we will have a look at the 2 claims and ensuring that we get the entry to the secretary of state’s information to both validate or invalidate the claims which have been made. Is that appropriate?
Germany: No, that’s not what I mentioned. I’m joyful to have our legal professionals sit down with Kurt and the legal professionals on that facet and clarify to him, hey, right here’s, based mostly on what we’ve checked out to date, right here’s how we all know that is incorrect, that is incorrect, that is incorrect, that is incorrect, that is incorrect.
Meadows: So what you’re saying, Ryan, let me let me be certain that . . . so what you’re saying is you actually don’t wish to give entry to the info. You simply wish to make one other case on why the lawsuit is incorrect?
Germany: I don’t suppose we can provide entry to information that’s protected by regulation. However we will sit down with them and say —
Trump: However you’re allowed to have a phony election? You’re allowed to have a phony election, proper?
Germany: No, sir.
Trump: When are you going to do signature counts, when are you going to do signature verification on Fulton County, which you mentioned you had been going to do, and now abruptly, you’re not doing it. When are you doing that?
Germany: We’re going to try this. We’ve introduced —
Hilbert: To get to this subject of the private data and privateness subject, is it attainable that the secretary of state might deputize the legal professionals for the president in order that we might entry that data and personal data with out you having any type of violation?
Trump: Effectively, I don’t wish to know who it’s. You guys can do it very confidentially. You possibly can signal a confidentiality settlement. That’s okay. I don’t have to know names. However on these items that we’re speaking about, we received all that data from the secretary of state.
Meadows: Yeah. So let me let me advocate, Ryan, in case you and Kurt will get collectively, you understand, after we get off of this cellphone name, in case you might get collectively and work out a plan to handle a few of what we’ve received together with your attorneys the place we will we will really have a look at the info. For instance, Mr. Secretary, I are you able to say they had been solely two lifeless individuals who would vote. I can promise you there are greater than that. And which may be what your investigation reveals, however I can promise you there are greater than that. However on the identical time, I feel it’s vital that we go forward and transfer expeditiously to attempt to do that and resolve it as shortly as we presumably can. And if that’s the great subsequent step. Hopefully we will, we will end this cellphone name and go forward and agree that the 2 of you’re going to get collectively instantly.
Trump: Effectively, why don’t my legal professionals present you the place you bought the data. It is going to present the secretary of state, and also you don’t even have to take a look at any names. We don’t need names. We don’t care. However we received that data from you. And Stacey Abrams is laughing about you. She’s going round saying these guys are dumber than a rock. What she’s performed to this social gathering is unbelievable, I inform you. And I solely ran towards her as soon as. And that was with a man named Brian Kemp, and I beat her. And if I didn’t run, Brian wouldn’t have had even a shot, both within the basic or within the main. He was lifeless, lifeless as a doornail. He by no means thought he had a shot at both of them. What a schmuck I used to be. However that’s the best way it’s. That’s the best way it’s. I would really like you . . . for the attorneys . . . I’d such as you to maybe meet with Ryan, ideally tomorrow, as a result of I feel we must always come to a decision of this earlier than the election. In any other case you’re going to have individuals simply not voting. They don’t wish to vote. They hate the state, they hate the governor, and so they hate the secretary of state. I’ll inform you that proper now. The one those that like you’re individuals that may by no means vote for you. You realize that, Brad, proper? They such as you, you understand, they such as you. They will’t consider what they discovered. They need extra individuals such as you. So, look, are you able to get collectively tomorrow? And, Brad, we simply need the reality. It’s easy.
And everybody’s going to look superb if the reality comes out. It’s okay. It takes a short time, however let the reality come out. And the actual fact is, I received by 400,000 votes. At the least. That’s the actual fact. However we don’t want 400,000 votes. We’d like lower than 2,000 votes. And are you guys in a position to meet tomorrow, Ryan?
Germany: I’ll get with Chris, the lawyer who’s representing us within the case, and see when he can get along with Kurt.
Raffensperger: Ryan will probably be in contact with the opposite lawyer on this name, Mr. Meadows. Thanks, President Trump, on your time.
Trump: Okay, thanks, Brad. Thanks, Ryan. Thanks. Thanks, all people. Thanks very a lot. Bye.