The Washington Post printed the complete transcript of the decision between Donald Trump and Georgia’s Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, which has led to requires Trump to face a felony probe, accused by two Home Democrats of conspiracy to intrude in elections.
On the decision on Saturday January 2 have been Trump, his chief of workers Mark Meadows, and Republican attorneys Cleta Mitchell and Kurt Hilbert, and from Georgia Raffesnperger and his common counsel Ryan Germany. Not on the decision however talked about was Georgia Governor Brian Kemp.
Right here is the complete transcript:
White Home Chief of Workers Mark Meadows: Okay. Alright. Mr. President, everyone seems to be on the road. That is Mark Meadows, the chief of workers. Simply so all of us are conscious. On the road is secretary of state and two different people. Jordan and Mr. Germany with him. You even have the attorneys that characterize the president, Kurt and Alex and Cleta Mitchell — who isn’t the lawyer of report however has been concerned — myself after which the president. So Mr. President, I will flip it over to you.
President Donald Trump: Okay, thanks very a lot. Hi there Brad and Ryan and everyone. We admire the time and the decision. So we have spent lots of time on this, and if we may simply go over among the numbers, I feel it is fairly clear that we received. We received very considerably in Georgia. You even see it by rally dimension, frankly. We would be getting 25-30,000 individuals a rally, and the competitors would get lower than 100 individuals. And it by no means made sense.
However we have now plenty of issues. We’ve got a minimum of 2 or 3 — anyplace from 250 to 300,000 ballots have been dropped mysteriously into the rolls. A lot of that needed to do with Fulton County, which hasn’t been checked. We predict that in case you test the signatures — an actual test of the signatures going again in Fulton County — you may discover a minimum of a few hundred thousand of solid signatures of people that have been solid. And we’re fairly positive that is going to occur.
Donald Trump (left) pressured Georgia’s Republican Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger (proper) to ‘discover’ sufficient votes to overturn Joe Biden’s win within the Peach State throughout a unprecedented leaked cellphone name on Saturday
One other large quantity. We will have an correct quantity over the subsequent two days with licensed accountants. However an correct quantity will likely be given, however it’s within the 50s of 1000’s — and that is those that went to vote they usually have been instructed they cannot vote as a result of they’ve already been voted for. And it is a very unhappy factor. They walked out complaining. However the quantity’s giant. We’ll have it for you. But it surely’s way more than the variety of 11,779 that is — the present margin is simply 11,779. Brad, I feel you agree with that, proper? That is one thing I feel everybody — a minimum of that is a quantity that everybody agrees on.
However that is the distinction within the votes. However we have had a whole bunch of 1000’s of ballots that we’re capable of truly — we’ll get you a fairly correct quantity. You do not want a lot of a quantity as a result of the quantity that in principle I misplaced by, the margin could be 11,779. However you even have a considerable numbers of individuals, 1000’s and 1000’s, who went to the voting place on November 3, have been instructed they could not vote, have been instructed they could not vote as a result of a poll had been placed on their title. And you already know that is very, very, very, very unhappy.
We had, I imagine it is about 4,502 voters who voted however who weren’t on the voter registration listing, so it is 4,502 who voted, however they weren’t on the voter registration roll, which they needed to be. You had 18,325 vacant deal with voters. The deal with was vacant, they usually’re not allowed to be counted. That is 18,325.
Smaller quantity — you had 904 who solely voted the place that they had only a P.O. — a publish workplace field quantity — they usually had a publish workplace field quantity, and that is not allowed. We had a minimum of 18,000 — that is on tape, we had them counted very painstakingly — 18,000 voters having to do with [name]. She’s a vote scammer, an expert vote scammer and hustler [name]. That was the tape that is been proven everywhere in the world that makes everyone look unhealthy, you, me and everyone else.
The place they bought — primary they mentioned very clearly and it has been reported that they mentioned there was a significant water important break. Everyone fled the realm. After which they got here again, [name] and her daughter and some individuals. There have been no Republican ballot watchers. Truly, there have been no Democrat ballot watchers, I assume they have been them. However there have been no Democrats, both, and there was no regulation enforcement. Late within the morning, early within the morning, they went to the desk with the black gown and the black defend, they usually pulled out the votes. These votes have been put there plenty of hours earlier than — the desk was put there — I feel it was, Brad, you’d know, it was most likely eight hours or seven hours earlier than, after which it was full of votes.
They weren’t in an official voter field; they have been in what appeared to be suitcases or trunks, suitcases, however they weren’t in voter packing containers. The minimal quantity it could possibly be as a result of we watched it, they usually watched it licensed in sluggish movement immediate replay in case you can imagine it, however sluggish movement, and it was magnified many occasions over, and the minimal it was 18,000 ballots, all for Biden.
You had out-of-state voters. They voted in Georgia, however they have been from out of state, of 4,925. You had absentee ballots despatched to vacant, they have been absentee ballots despatched to vacant addresses. That they had nothing on them about addresses, that is 2,326.
And also you had dropboxes, which could be very unhealthy. You had dropboxes that have been picked up. We’ve got images, and we have now affidavits from many individuals.
I do not know in case you noticed the hearings, however you may have dropboxes the place the field was picked up however not delivered for 3 days. So all types of issues may have occurred to that field, together with, you already know, placing within the votes that you just wished. So there have been many infractions, and the underside line is, many, many occasions the 11,779 margin that they mentioned we misplaced by — we had huge, I imply the state is in turmoil over this.
And I do know you want to unravel it, though I noticed you on tv as we speak, and also you mentioned that you just discovered nothing mistaken. I imply, you already know, and I did not lose the state, Brad. Folks have been saying that it was the very best vote ever. There was no means. Quite a lot of the political individuals mentioned that there is no means they beat me. They usually beat me. They beat me within the . . . As you already know, each single state, we received each state. We received each statehouse within the nation. We held the Senate, which is surprising to individuals, though we’ll see what occurs tomorrow or in just a few days.
And we received the Home, however we received each single statehouse, and we received Congress, which was speculated to lose 15 seats, they usually gained, I feel 16 or 17 or one thing. I feel there is a now distinction of 5. There was speculated to be a distinction considerably extra. However politicians in each state, however politicians in Georgia have given affidavits and are going to that, that there was no means that they beat me within the election, that the individuals got here out, actually, they have been anticipating to lose, after which they ended up successful by loads due to the coattails. They usually mentioned there is no means, that they’ve performed many polls previous to the election, that there was no means that they received.
Ballots have been dropped in huge numbers. And we’re attempting to get to these numbers and we may have them.
They will take a time period. Licensed. However however they’re huge numbers. And much better than the 11,779.
The opposite factor, lifeless individuals. So lifeless individuals voted, and I feel the quantity is shut to five,000 individuals. They usually went to obituaries. They went to all types of strategies to give you an correct quantity, and a minimal is near about 5,000 voters.
The underside line is, if you add all of it up and then you definitely begin including, you already know, 300,000 faux ballots. Then the opposite factor they mentioned is in Fulton County and different areas. And this will likely or will not be true . . . this simply got here up this morning, that they’re burning their ballots, that they’re shredding, shredding ballots and eradicating gear. They’re altering the gear on the Dominion machines and, you already know, that is not authorized.
They usually supposedly shredded I feel they mentioned 300 kilos of, 3,000 kilos of ballots. And that simply got here to us as a report as we speak. And it’s a very unhappy scenario.
However Brad, in case you took the minimal numbers the place many, many occasions above the 11,779, and lots of of these numbers are licensed, or they are going to be licensed, however they’re licensed. And people are numbers which are there, that exist. And that beat the margin of loss, they beat it, I imply, by loads, and folks needs to be completely satisfied to have an correct depend as a substitute of an election the place there’s turmoil.
I imply there’s turmoil in Georgia and different locations. You are not the one one, I imply, we have now different states that I imagine will likely be flipping to us very shortly. And that is one thing that — you already know, for example, I feel it in Detroit, I feel there is a part, part of your state truly, which we’re unsure so we’re not going to report it but. However in Detroit, we had, I feel it was, 139 % of the individuals voted. That is not too good.
In Pennsylvania, that they had properly over 200,000 extra votes than that they had individuals voting. And that does not play too properly, and the legislature there may be, which is Republican, is extraordinarily activist and indignant. I imply, there have been different issues additionally that have been virtually as unhealthy as that. However that they had for example, in Michigan, an incredible variety of lifeless those that voted. I feel it was, I feel, Mark, it was 18,000. Some unbelievably excessive quantity, a lot greater than yours, you have been within the 4-5,000 class.
And that was checked out laboriously by going via, by going via the obituary columns within the newspapers.
So I assume with all of it being mentioned, Brad, the underside line, and provisional ballots, once more, you already know, you may have to inform me concerning the provisional ballots, however we have now lots of people that have been complaining that they weren’t capable of vote as a result of they have been already voted for. These are nice individuals.
And, you already know, they have been shellshocked. I do not know in case you name that provisional ballots. In some states, we had lots of provisional poll conditions the place individuals got a provisional poll as a result of after they walked in on November 3 they usually have been already voted for.
In order that’s it. I imply, we have now many, many occasions the variety of votes essential to win the state. And we received the state, and we received it very considerably and simply, and we’re getting, we have now, a lot of this can be a very licensed, much more licensed than we’d like. However we’re getting further numbers licensed, too. And we’re getting photos of dropboxes being delivered and delivered late. Delivered three days later, in some circumstances, plus we have now many affidavits to that impact.
Meadows: So, Mr. President, if I’d be capable of soar in, and I will give Brad an opportunity. Mr. Secretary, clearly there may be, there are allegations the place we imagine that not each vote or honest vote and authorized vote was counted, and that is at odds with the illustration from the secretary of state’s workplace.
What I am looking forward to is there a way that we are able to, we are able to discover some form of settlement to take a look at this slightly bit extra totally? You realize the president talked about Fulton County.
However in a few of these areas the place there appears to be a distinction of the place the info appear to guide, and so Mr. Secretary, I used to be hopeful that, you already know, within the spirit of cooperation and compromise, is there one thing that we are able to a minimum of have a dialogue to take a look at a few of these allegations to discover a path ahead that is much less litigious?
Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger: Nicely, I listened to what the president has simply mentioned. President Trump, we have had a number of lawsuits, and we have needed to reply in court docket to the lawsuits and the contentions. We do not agree that you’ve received. And we do not — I did not agree concerning the 200,000 quantity that you just’d talked about. I will undergo that time by level.
What we have now performed is we gave our state Senate about one and a half hours of our time going via the election subject by subject after which on the state Home, the federal government affairs committee, we gave them about two and a half hours of our time, going again level by level on all the problems of competition. After which only a few days in the past, we met with our U.S. congressmen, Republican congressmen, and we gave them about two hours of our time speaking about this previous election. Going again, primarily what you have talked about right here centered in on primarily, I imagine, is the absentee poll course of. I do not imagine that you just’re actually questioning the Dominion machines. As a result of we did a hand re-tally, a 100% re-tally of all of the ballots, and in contrast them to what the machines mentioned and got here up with nearly the identical consequence. Then we did the recount, and we bought nearly the identical consequence. So I assume we are able to most likely take that off the desk.
I do not suppose there’s a difficulty about that.
Trump: Nicely, Brad. Not that there is not a difficulty, as a result of we have now an enormous subject with Dominion in different states and maybe in yours. However we have not felt we would have liked to go there. And simply to, you already know, perhaps put slightly completely different spin on what Mark is saying, Mark Meadows, yeah we would wish to go additional, however we do not actually need to. We’ve got all of the votes we’d like.
You realize, we received the state. In case you took, these are essentially the most minimal numbers, the numbers that I gave you, these are numbers which are licensed, your absentee ballots despatched to vacant addresses, your out-of-state voters, 4,925. You realize if you add them up, it is many extra occasions, it is many occasions the 11,779 quantity. So we may undergo, we have now not gone via your Dominion. So we won’t give them blessing. I imply, in different states, we expect we discovered large corruption with Dominion machines, however we’ll should see.
However we solely misplaced the state by that quantity, 11,000 votes, and 779. So with that being mentioned, with simply what we have now, with simply what we have now, we’re supplying you with minimal, minimal numbers. We’re doing essentially the most conservative numbers attainable; we’re many occasions, many, many occasions above the margin. And so we do not actually should, Mark, I do not suppose we have now to undergo . . .
Trump: As a result of what is the distinction between successful the election by two votes and successful it by half 1,000,000 votes. I feel I most likely did win it by half 1,000,000. You realize, one of many issues that occurred, Brad, is we have now different individuals coming in now from Alabama and from South Carolina and from different states, they usually’re saying it is unattainable so that you can have misplaced Georgia. We received. You realize in Alabama, we set a report, bought the very best vote ever. In Georgia, we set a report with an enormous quantity of votes. They usually say it is not attainable to have misplaced Georgia.
And I may inform you by our rallies. I may inform you by the rally I am having on Monday night time, the place, they have already got traces of individuals standing out entrance ready. It is simply not attainable to have misplaced Georgia. It isn’t attainable. After I heard it was shut, I mentioned there is no means. However they dropped lots of votes in there late at night time. You realize that, Brad. And that is what we’re engaged on very, very stringently. However no matter these votes, with all of it being mentioned, we misplaced by primarily 11,000 votes, and we have now many extra votes already calculated and licensed, too.
And so I simply do not know, you already know, Mark, I do not know what is the objective. I will not give Dominion a cross as a result of we discovered too many unhealthy issues. However we do not want Dominion or anything. We’ve got received this election in Georgia primarily based on all of this. And there is nothing mistaken with saying that, Brad. You realize, I imply, having the right — the individuals of Georgia are indignant. And these numbers are going to be repeated on Monday night time. Together with others that we’ll have by that point, that are way more substantial even. And the individuals of Georgia are indignant, the individuals of the nation are indignant. And there is nothing mistaken with saying that, you already know, that you’ve got recalculated. As a result of the two,236 in absentee ballots. I imply, they’re all actual numbers that have been performed by accounting companies, regulation companies, and so forth. And even in case you lower ’em in half, lower ’em in half and lower ’em in half once more, it is extra votes than we’d like.
Raffensperger: Nicely, Mr. President, the problem that you’ve is the information you may have is mistaken. We talked to the congressmen, they usually have been shocked.
However they — I assume there was an individual named Mr. Braynard who got here to those conferences and offered knowledge, and he mentioned that there was lifeless individuals, I imagine it was upward of 5,000. The precise quantity have been two. Two. Two those that have been lifeless that voted. In order that’s mistaken.
Trump: Nicely, Cleta, how do you reply to that? Possibly you inform me?
Trump lawyer Cleta Mitchell: Nicely, I might say, Mr. Secretary, one of many issues that we have now requested and what we mentioned was, in case you look, in case you learn our petition, it mentioned that we took the names and start years, and we had sure info accessible to us. We’ve got requested out of your workplace for data that solely you may have, and so we mentioned there’s a universe of people that have the identical title and similar start 12 months and died.
However we do not have the data that you’ve. And one of many issues that we have now been suggesting formally and informally for weeks now could be so that you can make accessible to us the data that may be mandatory —
Trump: However, Cleta, even earlier than you do this, and never even together with that, that is why I hardly even included that quantity, though in a single state, we have now an incredible quantity of lifeless individuals. So I do not know — I am positive we do in Georgia, too. I am positive we do in Georgia, too.
However we’re to this point forward. We’re to this point forward of those numbers, even the phony ballots of [name] , recognized scammer. You realize the Web? You realize what was trending on the Web? ‘The place’s [name]?’ As a result of they thought she’d be in jail. ‘The place’s [name]?’ It is loopy, it is loopy. That was. The minimal quantity is eighteen,000 for [name] , however they suppose it is most likely about 56,000, however the minimal quantity is eighteen,000 on the [name] night time the place she ran again in there when everyone was gone and stuffed, she stuffed the poll packing containers. Let’s face it, Brad, I imply. They did it in sluggish movement replay magnified, proper? She stuffed the poll packing containers. They have been stuffed like no person has ever seen them stuffed earlier than.
So there is a time period for it when it is a machine as a substitute of a poll field, however she stuffed the machine. She stuffed the poll. Every poll went thrice, they have been displaying: This is poll No 1. Right here it’s a second time, third time, subsequent poll.
I imply, look. Brad. We’ve got a brand new tape that we’ll launch. It is devastating. And by the best way, that one occasion, that one occasion is way more than the 11,000 votes that we’re speaking about. It is, you already know, that one occasion was a catastrophe. And it is simply, you already know, however it was, it was one thing, it may possibly’t be disputed. And once more, we have now a model that you have not seen, however it’s magnified. It is magnified, and you may see every part. For some purpose, they put it in thrice, every poll, and I do not know why. I do not know why thrice. Why not 5 occasions, proper? Go forward.
Raffensperger: You are speaking concerning the State Farm video. And I feel it is extraordinarily unlucky that Rudy Giuliani or his individuals, they sliced and diced that video and took it out of context. The following day, we introduced in WSB-TV, and we allow them to present, see the complete run of tape, and what you may see, the occasions that transpired are nowhere close to what was projected by, you already know —
Trump: However the place have been the ballot watchers, Brad? There have been no ballot watchers there. There have been no Democrats or Republicans. There was no safety there.
It was late within the night, late within the, early within the morning, and there was no person else within the room. The place have been the ballot watchers, and why did they are saying a water important broke, which they did and which was reported within the newspapers? They mentioned they left. They ran out due to a water important break, and there was no water important. There was nothing. There was no break. There was no water important break. However we’re, in case you take out every part, the place have been the Republican ballot watchers, even the place have been the Democrat pollwatchers, as a result of there have been none.
And then you definitely say, properly, they left their station, you already know, in case you have a look at the tape, and this was, this was reviewed by skilled police and detectives and different individuals, after they left in a rush, everyone left in a rush due to the water important, however everyone left in a rush. These individuals left their station.
After they got here again, they did not go to their station. They went to the apron, wrapped across the desk, underneath which have been 1000’s and 1000’s of ballots in a field that was not an official or a sealed field. After which they took these. They went again to a distinct station. So if they might have come again, they might have walked to their station, and they might have continued to work. However they could not do even that as a result of that is unlawful, as a result of that they had no Republican pollwatchers. And keep in mind, her status is — she’s recognized everywhere in the Web, Brad. She’s recognized throughout.
I am telling you, ‘The place’s [name] ‘ was one of many sizzling gadgets . . . [name] They knew her. ‘The place’s [name]?’ So Brad, there will be no justification for that. And I, you already know, I give everyone the advantage of the doubt. However that was — and Brad, why did they put the votes in thrice? You realize, they put ’em in thrice.
Raffensperger: Mr. President, they didn’t put that. We did an audit of that, and we proved conclusively that they weren’t scanned thrice.
Trump: The place was everyone else at that late time within the morning? The place was everyone? The place have been the Republicans? The place have been the safety guards? Had been the those that have been there just a bit whereas earlier than when everybody ran out of the room. How come we had no safety within the room. Why did they run to the underside of the desk? Why do they run there and simply open the skirt and rip out the votes. I imply, Brad. They usually have been sitting there, I feel for 5 hours or one thing like that, the votes.
Raffensperger: Mr. President, we’ll ship you the hyperlink from WSB.
Trump: I do not care concerning the hyperlink. I do not want it. Brad, I’ve a significantly better —
Mitchell: I’ll inform you. I’ve seen the tape. The total tape. So has Alex. We have watched it. And what we noticed and what we have confirmed within the timing is that they made everyone depart — we have now sworn affidavits saying that. After which they started to course of ballots. And our estimate is that there have been roughly 18,000 ballots. We do not know that. If you already know that . . .
Trump: It was 18,000 ballots, however they used each thrice.
Mitchell: Nicely, I do not learn about that.
Trump: I do suppose we had ours magnified out.
Mitchell: I’ve watched your entire tape.
Trump: No person could make a case for that, Brad. No person. I imply, look, you’d should be a baby to suppose something apart from that. Only a little one.
Mitchell: What number of ballots, Mr. Secretary, are you saying have been processed then?
Raffensperger: We had GBI . . . examine that.
Germany: We had our — that is Ryan Germany. We had our regulation enforcement officers speak to everybody who was, who was there after that occasion got here to mild. GBI was with them in addition to FBI brokers.
Trump: Nicely, there is no means they might — then they’re incompetent. They’re both dishonest or incompetent, okay?
Mitchell: Nicely, what did they discover?
Trump: There’s solely two solutions, dishonesty or incompetence. There’s simply no means. Look. There is no means. And on the opposite factor, I mentioned too, there is no such thing as a means. I imply, there is no means that this stuff may have been, you already know, you may have all these completely different those that voted, however they do not dwell in Georgia anymore. What was that quantity, Cleta? That was a fairly good quantity, too.
Mitchell: The quantity who’ve registered out of state after they moved from Georgia. And they also had a date after they moved from Georgia, they registered to vote out of state, after which it is like 4,500, I haven’t got that quantity proper in entrance of me.
Trump: After which they got here again in, they usually voted.
Mitchell: And voted. Yeah.
Trump: I believed that was a big quantity, although. It was within the 20s.
Ryan Germany, Raffensberger’s Basic Counsel: We have been going via every of these as properly, and people numbers that we bought, that Ms. Mitchell was simply saying, they are not correct. Each one we have been via are those that lived in Georgia, moved to a distinct state, however then moved again to Georgia legitimately. And in lots of circumstances —
Trump: How could individuals do this? They moved out, after which they mentioned, ‘Ah, to hell with it, I will transfer again.’ You realize, it does not sound like a really regular . . . you imply, they moved out, and what, they missed it a lot that they wished to maneuver again in? It is loopy.
Germany: They moved again in years in the past. This was not like one thing simply earlier than the election. So there’s one thing about that knowledge that, it is simply not correct.
Trump: Nicely, I do not know, all I do know is that it’s licensed. They usually moved out of Georgia, they usually voted. It did not say they moved again in, Cleta, did it?
Mitchell: No, however I imply, we’re trying on the voter registration. Once more, if in case you have further data, we have been asking for that, however you have not shared any of that with us. You simply preserve saying you investigated the allegations.
Trump: Cleta, lots of it you do not should be shared. I imply, to be trustworthy, they need to share it. They need to share it since you need to get to an trustworthy election.
I received this election by a whole bunch of 1000’s of votes. There is no means I misplaced Georgia. There is no means. We received by a whole bunch of 1000’s of votes. I am simply going by small numbers, if you add them up, they’re many occasions the 11,000. However I received that state by a whole bunch of 1000’s of votes.
Do you suppose it is attainable that they shredded ballots in Fulton County? As a result of that is what the rumor is. And in addition that Dominion took out machines. That Dominion is de facto transferring quick to do away with their, uh, equipment.
Are you aware something about that? As a result of that is unlawful, proper?
Trump prompt that Raffensberger and his common counsel Ryan Germany (pictured) could possibly be topic to felony legal responsibility in the event that they failed to seek out that 1000’s of ballots solid in Fulton County had been illegally destroyed – regardless of no proof supporting that allegation
Germany: That is Ryan Germany. No, Dominion has not moved any equipment out of Fulton County.
Trump: However have they moved the interior elements of the machines and changed them with different elements?
Trump: Are you positive, Ryan?
Germany: I am positive. I am positive, Mr. President.
Trump: What about, what concerning the ballots. The shredding of the ballots. Have they been shredding ballots?
Germany: The one investigation that we have now into that — they haven’t been shredding any ballots. There was a difficulty in Cobb County the place they have been doing regular workplace shredding, eliminating outdated stuff, and we investigated that. However these items from, you already know, from you already know previous elections.
Trump: It does not cross the scent take a look at as a result of we hear they’re shredding 1000’s and 1000’s of ballots, and now what they’re saying, ‘Oh, we’re simply cleansing up the workplace.’ You realize.
Raffensperger: Mr. President, the issue you may have with social media, they — individuals can say something.
Trump: Oh this is not social media. That is Trump media. It isn’t social media. It is actually not; it is not social media. I do not care about social media. I could not care much less. Social media is Large Tech. Large Tech is in your facet, you already know. I do not even know why you may have a facet since you ought to need to have an correct election. And you are a Republican.
Raffensperger: We imagine that we do have an correct election.
Trump: No, no you do not. No, no you do not. You do not have. Not even shut. You are off by a whole bunch of 1000’s of votes. And simply on the small numbers, you are off on these numbers, and these numbers cannot be simply — properly, why wont? — Okay. So that you despatched us into Cobb County for signature verification, proper? You despatched us into Cobb County, which we did not need to go into. And also you mentioned it might be open to the general public. So we had our consultants there, they weren’t allowed into the room. However we did not need Cobb County. We wished Fulton County. And also you would not give it to us. Now, why aren’t we doing signature — and why cannot it’s open to the general public?
And why cannot we have now professionals do it as a substitute of rank amateurs who won’t ever discover something and do not need to discover something? They do not need to discover, you already know they do not need to discover something. Sometime you may inform me the rationale why, as a result of I do not perceive your reasoning, however sometime you may inform me the rationale why. However why do not you need to discover?
Germany: Mr. President, we selected Cobb County —
Trump: Why do not you need to discover . . . What?
Germany: Sorry, go forward.
Trump: So why did you do Cobb County? We did not even request — we requested Fulton County, not Cobb County. Go forward, please. Go forward.
Germany: We selected Cobb County as a result of that was the one county the place there’s been any proof submitted that the signature verification was not correctly performed.
Trump: No, however I instructed you. We’re not, we’re not saying that.
Mitchell: We did say that.
Trump: Fulton County. Look. Stacey, in my view, Stacey is as dishonest as they arrive. She has outplayed you . . . at every part. She bought you to signal a completely unconstitutional settlement, which is a disastrous settlement. You possibly can’t test signatures. I can not think about you are allowed to do harvesting, I assume, in that settlement. That settlement is a catastrophe for this nation. However she bought you someway to signal that factor, and she or he has outsmarted you at each step.
And I hate to think about what is going on to occur on Monday or Tuesday, however it’s very scary to individuals. You realize, when the ballots circulation in out of nowhere. It’s totally scary to individuals. That consent decree is a catastrophe. It is a catastrophe. An excellent lawyer who examined it mentioned they’ve by no means seen something prefer it.
Raffensperger: Harvesting remains to be unlawful within the state of Georgia. And that settlement settlement didn’t change that one iota.
Trump: It isn’t a settlement settlement, it is a consent decree. It even says consent decree on it, does not it? It makes use of the time period consent decree. It does not say settlement settlement. It is a consent decree. It is a catastrophe.
Raffensperger: It is a settlement settlement.
Trump: What’s written on high of it?
Germany: I haven’t got it in entrance of me, however it was not entered by the court docket, it is not a court docket order.
Trump: However Ryan, it is known as a consent decree, is that proper? On the paper. Is that proper?
Germany: I do not. I do not. I do not imagine so, however I haven’t got it in entrance of me.
Trump: Okay, no matter, it is a catastrophe. It is a catastrophe. Look. This is the issue. We will undergo signature verification, and we’ll discover a whole bunch of 1000’s of signatures, in case you allow us to do it. And the one means you are able to do it, as you already know, is to go to the previous. However you did not do this in Cobb County. You simply checked out one web page in comparison with one other. The one means you are able to do a signature verification is go from the one which signed it on November no matter. Lately. And evaluate it to 2 years in the past, 4 years in the past, six years in the past, you already know, and even one. And you will find that you’ve many various signatures. However in Fulton, the place they dumped ballots, you can see that you’ve many that are not even signed and you’ve got many which are forgeries.
Okay, you already know that. You realize that. You don’t have any doubt about that. And you can see you may be at 11,779 inside minutes as a result of Fulton County is completely corrupt, and so is she completely corrupt.
They usually’re going round taking part in you and laughing at you behind your again, Brad, whether or not you already know it or not, they’re laughing at you. And you’ve got taken a state that is a Republican state, and you’ve got made it virtually unattainable for a Republican to win due to dishonest, as a result of they cheated like no person’s ever cheated earlier than. And I do not care how lengthy it takes me, you already know, we’ll produce other states coming ahead — fairly good.
However I will not . . . that is by no means . . . that is . . . We’ve got some unbelievable expertise mentioned they’ve by no means seen something . . . Now the issue is that they want extra time for the massive numbers. However they’re very substantial numbers. However I feel you are going to tremendous that they — by the best way, slightly info — I feel you are going to discover that they’re shredding ballots as a result of they should do away with the ballots as a result of the ballots are unsigned. The ballots are corrupt, they usually’re model new, they usually haven’t got seals, and there is a complete factor with the ballots. However the ballots are corrupt.
And you will discover that they’re — which is completely unlawful — it’s extra unlawful for you than it’s for them as a result of, you already know, what they did and you are not reporting it. That is a felony, that is a felony offense. And you may’t let that occur. That is an enormous danger to you and to Ryan, your lawyer. And that is an enormous danger. However they’re shredding ballots, in my view, primarily based on what I’ve heard. And they’re eradicating equipment, they usually’re transferring it as quick as they’ll, each of that are felony finds. And you may’t let it occur, and you might be letting it occur. You realize, I imply, I am notifying you that you just’re letting it occur. So look. All I need to do is that this. I simply need to discover 11,780 votes, which is another than we have now as a result of we received the state.
And flipping the state is a good testomony to our nation as a result of, you already know, that is — it is a testomony that they’ll admit to a mistake or no matter you need to name it. If it was a mistake, I do not know. Lots of people suppose it wasn’t a mistake. It was way more felony than that. But it surely’s an enormous drawback in Georgia, and it is not an issue that is going away. I imply, you already know, it is not an issue that is going away.
Germany: That is Ryan. We’re trying into each a kind of issues that you just talked about.
Trump: Good. However in case you discover it, you have to say it, Ryan.
Germany: . . . Let me inform you what we’re seeing. What we’re seeing is under no circumstances what you are describing. These are investigators from our workplace, these are investigators from GBI, they usually’re trying, they usually’re good. And that is not what they’re seeing. And we’ll preserve trying, in any respect this stuff.
Trump: Nicely, you higher test on the ballots as a result of they’re shredding ballots, Ryan. I am simply telling you, Ryan. They’re shredding ballots. And you need to have a look at that very rigorously. As a result of that is so unlawful. You realize, chances are you’ll not even imagine it as a result of it is so unhealthy. However they’re shredding ballots as a result of they suppose we’ll ultimately get there . . . as a result of we’ll ultimately get into Fulton. In my view, it is by no means too late. . . . So, that is the story. Look, we’d like solely 11,000 votes. We’ve got are excess of that because it stands now. We’ll have an increasing number of. And . . . do you may have provisional ballots in any respect, Brad? Provisional ballots?
Raffensperger: Provisional ballots are allowed by state regulation.
Trump: Positive, however I imply, are they counted, or did you simply maintain them again as a result of they, you already know, in different phrases, what number of provisional ballots do you may have within the state?
Raffensperger: We’ll get you that quantity.
Trump: As a result of most of them are made out to the title Trump. As a result of these are those that have been scammed after they got here in. And we have now 1000’s of those that have testified or that need to testify. After they got here in, they have been proudly going to vote on November 3. They usually have been instructed, ‘I am sorry, you have already been voted for, you have already voted.’ The ladies, males began screaming, ‘No. I proudly voted until November 3.’ They mentioned, ‘I am sorry, however you have already been voted for, and you’ve got a poll.’ And these individuals are beside themselves. So that they went out, they usually stuffed in a provisional poll, placing the title Trump on it.
And what about that batch of navy ballots that got here in. And although I received the navy by loads, it was 100% Trump. I imply 100% Biden. Are you aware about that? A big group of ballots got here in, I feel it was to Fulton County, they usually simply occurred to be 100% for Trump — for Biden — although Trump received the navy by loads, you already know, an incredible quantity. However these ballots have been 100% for Biden. And have you learnt about that? A really substantial quantity got here in, all for Biden. Does anyone learn about it?
Mitchell: I learn about it, however —
Trump: Okay, Cleta, I am not asking you, Cleta, actually. I am asking Brad. Are you aware concerning the navy ballots that we have now confirmed now. Are you aware concerning the navy ballots that got here in that have been 100%, I imply 100%, for Biden. Are you aware about that?
Germany: I do not learn about that. I do know that we have now, when navy ballots are available, it is not simply navy, it is also navy and abroad residents. The navy a part of that does usually go Republican. The abroad citizen a part of it usually goes very Democrat. This was a mixture of ’em.
Trump: No, however this was. That is okay. However I bought like 78 % of the navy. These ballots have been all for . . . They did not inform me abroad. May very well be abroad, too, however I get votes abroad, too, Ryan, in all equity. No they got here in, a big batch got here in, and it was, quote, 100% for Biden. And that’s felony. You realize, that is felony. Okay. That is one other felony, that is one other of the numerous felony occasions, many felony occasions right here.
I do not know, look, Brad. I bought to get . . . I’ve to seek out 12,000 votes, and I’ve them occasions loads. And due to this fact, I received the state. That is earlier than we go to the subsequent step, which is within the technique of proper now. You realize, and I watched you this morning, and also you mentioned, properly, there was no criminality.
However I imply all of these items could be very harmful stuff. If you speak about no criminality, I feel it’s totally harmful so that you can say that.
I simply, I simply do not know why you do not need to have the votes counted as they’re. Like even you if you went and did that test. And I used to be shocked as a result of, you already know . . . And we discovered just a few thousand votes that have been in opposition to me. I used to be truly shocked as a result of the best way that test was performed, all you are doing, you already know, recertifying present votes and, you already know, and you got votes and also you simply counted them up, and you continue to discovered 3,000 that have been unhealthy. In order that was type of shocking that it got here down to a few or 5, I do not know. Nonetheless lots of votes. However it’s important to return to test from previous years with respect to signatures. And in case you test with Fulton County, you may have a whole bunch of 1000’s as a result of they dumped ballots into Fulton County and the opposite county subsequent to it.
So what are we going to do right here, of us? I solely want 11,000 votes. Fellas, I want 11,000 votes. Give me a break. You realize, we have now that in spades already. Or we are able to preserve it going, however that is not honest to the voters of Georgia as a result of they’ll see what occurred, and they’ll see what occurred. I imply, I will, I will tackle anyone you need with regard to [name] and her pretty daughter, a really pretty younger woman, I am positive. However, however [name] . . . I’ll tackle anyone you need. And the minimal, there have been 18,000 ballots, however they used them thrice. In order that’s, you already know, lots of votes. They usually have been all to Biden, by the best way, that is the opposite factor we did not say. You realize, [name] , the one factor I forgot to say, which was an important. You realize that each single poll she did went to Biden. You realize that, proper? Are you aware that, by the best way, Brad?
Each single poll that she did via the machines at early, early within the morning went to Biden. Do you know that, Ryan?
Germany: That is not correct, Mr. President.
Trump: Huh. What’s correct?
Germany: The numbers that we’re displaying are correct.
Trump: No, about [name] . About early within the morning, Ryan. The place the lady took, you already know, when the entire gang took the stuff from underneath the desk, proper? Are you aware, have you learnt who these ballots, have you learnt who they have been made out to, have you learnt who they have been voting for?
Germany: No, not particularly.
Trump: Did you ever test?
Germany: We did what I described to you earlier —
Trump: No no no — did you ever test the ballots that have been scanned by [name] , a recognized political operative, balloteer? Did ever test who these votes have been for?
Germany: We appeared into that scenario that you just described.
Trump: No, they have been 100% for Biden. 100%. There wasn’t a Trump vote in the entire group. Why do not you need to discover this, Ryan? What’s mistaken with you? I heard your lawyer could be very tough, truly, however I am positive you are a good lawyer. You will have a pleasant final title.
However, however I am simply curious, why would not, why do you retain combating this factor? It simply does not make sense. We’re means over the 17,779, proper? We’re means over that quantity, and simply in case you took simply [name] , we’re over that quantity by 5, 5 or 6 occasions if you multiply that occasions three.
And each single poll went to Biden, and also you did not know that, however now you already know it. So inform me, Brad, what are we going to do? We received the election, and it is not honest to take it away from us like this. And it will be very expensive in some ways. And I feel it’s important to say that you’ll reexamine it, and you may reexamine it, however reexamine it with those that need to discover solutions, not individuals that do not need to discover solutions. For example, I am listening to Ryan that he is most likely, I am positive an incredible lawyer and every part, however he is making statements about these ballots that he does not know. However he is making them with such — he did make them with surety. However now I feel he is much less positive as a result of the reply is, all of them went to Biden, and that alone wins us the election by loads. You realize, so.
Raffensperger: Mr. President, you may have those that submit info, and we have now our those that submit info. After which it comes earlier than the court docket, and the court docket then has to make a dedication. We’ve got to face by our numbers. We imagine our numbers are proper.
Trump: Why do you say that, although? I do not know. I imply, positive, we are able to play this sport with the courts, however why do you say that? Initially, they do not even assign us a decide. They do not even assign us a decide. However why would not you . . . Hey Brad, why would not you need to try [name] ? And why would not you need to say, hey, if actually, President Trump is correct about that, then he wins the state of Georgia, simply that one incident alone with out going via a whole bunch of 1000’s of dropped ballots. You simply say, you stick by, I imply I have been watching you, you already know, you do not care about something. ‘Your numbers are proper.’ However your numbers aren’t proper. They’re actually mistaken, they usually’re actually mistaken, Brad. And I do know this cellphone name goes nowhere apart from, apart from in the end, you already know — Look, in the end, I win, okay? Since you guys are so mistaken. And also you handled this. You handled the inhabitants of Georgia so badly. You, between you and your governor, who’s down at 21, he was down 21 factors. And like a schmuck, I endorsed him, and he bought elected, however I’ll inform you, he’s a catastrophe.
The individuals are so indignant in Georgia, I can not think about he is ever getting elected once more, I will inform you that a lot proper now. However why would not you need to discover the precise reply, Brad, as a substitute of preserve saying that the numbers are proper? ‘Trigger these numbers are so mistaken?
Mitchell: Mr. Secretary, Mr. President, one of many issues that we have now been, Alex can speak about this, we talked about it, and I do not know whether or not the data has been conveyed to your workplace, however I feel what the president is saying, and what we have been attempting to do is to say, look, the court docket isn’t performing on our petition. They have not even assigned a decide. However the individuals of Georgia and the individuals of America have a proper to know the solutions. And you’ve got knowledge and data that we do not have entry to.
And you may preserve telling us and making public assertion that you just investigated this and nothing to see right here. However we do not learn about that. All we all know is what you inform us. What I do not perceive is why would not it’s in everybody’s finest curiosity to attempt to get to the underside, evaluate the numbers, you already know, in case you say, as a result of . . . to strive to have the ability to get to the reality as a result of we haven’t any means of confirming what you are telling us. You inform us that you just had an investigation on the State Farm Area. I haven’t got any report. I’ve by no means seen a report of investigation. I do not know that’s. I have been fairly concerned on this, and I do not know. And that is simply certainly one of 25 classes. And it does not even. And as I, because the president mentioned, we have not even gotten into the Dominion subject. That is not a part of our case. It isn’t a part of, we simply did not really feel as if we had any to have the ability to develop —
Trump: No, we do have a means, however I do not need to get into it. We discovered a means . . . excuse me, however we do not want it as a result of we’re solely down 11,000 votes, so we do not even want it. I personally suppose they’re corrupt as hell. However we do not want that. All we have now to do, Cleta, is use 11,000-plus votes. So we do not want that. I am not seeking to shake up the entire world. We received Georgia simply. We received it by a whole bunch of 1000’s of votes. However in case you go by primary, easy numbers, we received it simply, simply. So we’re not giving Dominion a cross on the report. We do not want Dominion as a result of we have now so many different votes that we need not show it any greater than we have already got.
Trump lawyer Kurt Hilbert: Mr. President and Cleta, that is Kurt Hilbert, if I’d interject for a second. Ryan, I want to recommend that simply 4 classes which have already been talked about by the president which have truly arduous numbers of 24,149 votes that have been counted illegally. That in and of itself is ample to vary the outcomes or place the end result unsure. We want to sit down along with your workplace, and we are able to do it via functions of compromise and similar to this cellphone name, simply to take care of that restricted class of votes. And if you’ll be able to set up that our numbers aren’t correct, then tremendous. Nevertheless, we imagine that they’re correct. We have had now three to 4 separate consultants these numbers.
Trump: Licensed accountants checked out them.
Hilbert: Right. And that is simply primarily based on USPS knowledge and your personal secretary of state knowledge. So that is what we might entreat and ask you to do, to take a seat down with us in a compromise and settlements continuing and really undergo the registered voter IDs and the registrations. And in case you can persuade us that 24,149 is inaccurate, then tremendous. However we are likely to imagine that’s, you already know, clearly greater than 11,779. That is ample to vary the outcomes fully in and of itself. So what would you say to that, Mr. Germany?
Germany: I am completely satisfied to get with our attorneys, and we’ll set that up. That quantity isn’t correct. And I feel we are able to present you, for all those we have checked out, why it is not. And so if that may be useful, I am completely satisfied to get with our attorneys and set that up with you guys.
Trump: Nicely, let me ask you, Kurt, you suppose that’s an correct quantity. That was primarily based on the data given to you by the secretary of state’s division, proper?
Hilbert: That’s appropriate. That info is the minimal, most conservative knowledge primarily based upon the USPS knowledge and the secretary of state’s workplace knowledge that has been made publicly accessible. We do not need the inner numbers from the secretary of state. But we have now requested for it six occasions. I despatched a letter over to . . . a number of occasions requesting this info, and it has been rebuffed each single time. So it stands to purpose that if the data isn’t forthcoming, there’s one thing to cover. That is the issue that we have now.
Germany: Nicely, that is not the case, sir. There are issues that you just guys are entitled to get. And there is issues that underneath regulation, we’re not allowed to present out.
Trump: Nicely, it’s important to. Nicely, underneath regulation, you are not allowed to present defective election outcomes, okay? You are not allowed to try this. And that is what you performed. It is a defective election consequence. And actually, this could go very quick. You must meet tomorrow as a result of you may have an enormous election developing, and due to what you have performed to the president — you already know, the individuals of Georgia know that this was a rip-off — and due to what you have performed to the president, lots of people aren’t going out to vote. And lots of Republicans are going to vote destructive as a result of they hate what you probably did to the president. Okay? They hate it. And they’ll vote. And you’d be revered. Actually revered, if this factor could possibly be straightened out earlier than the election. You will have an enormous election developing on Tuesday. And I feel that it’s actually is vital that you just meet tomorrow and work out on these numbers. As a result of I do know, Brad, that in case you suppose we’re proper, I feel you are going to say, and I am not seeking to blame anyone, I am simply saying, you already know, and, you already know, underneath new counts, and underneath new views, of the election outcomes, we received the election. You realize? It is quite simple. We received the election. Because the governors of main states and the encompassing states mentioned, there is no such thing as a means you misplaced Georgia. Because the Georgia politicians say, there is no such thing as a means you misplaced Georgia. No person. Everybody is aware of I received it by a whole bunch of 1000’s of votes. However I will inform you it will have a big effect on Tuesday in case you guys do not get this factor straightened out quick.
Meadows: Mr. President, that is Mark. It feels like we have two completely different sides agreeing that we are able to have a look at these areas, and I assume that we are able to do this throughout the subsequent 24 to 48 hours, to go forward and get that reconciled in order that we are able to have a look at the 2 claims and ensuring that we get the entry to the secretary of state’s knowledge to both validate or invalidate the claims which were made. Is that appropriate?
Germany: No, that is not what I mentioned. I am completely satisfied to have our attorneys sit down with Kurt and the attorneys on that facet and clarify to him, hey, here is, primarily based on what we have checked out to this point, here is how we all know that is mistaken, that is mistaken, that is mistaken, that is mistaken, that is mistaken.
Meadows: So what you are saying, Ryan, let me let me be certain that . . . so what you are saying is you actually do not need to give entry to the information. You simply need to make one other case on why the lawsuit is mistaken?
Germany: I do not suppose we can provide entry to knowledge that is protected by regulation. However we are able to sit down with them and say —
Trump: However you are allowed to have a phony election? You are allowed to have a phony election, proper?
Germany: No, sir.
Trump: When are you going to do signature counts, when are you going to do signature verification on Fulton County, which you mentioned you have been going to do, and now unexpectedly, you are not doing it. When are you doing that?
Germany: We’re going to do this. We have introduced —
Hilbert: To get to this subject of the private info and privateness subject, is it attainable that the secretary of state may deputize the attorneys for the president in order that we may entry that info and personal info with out you having any form of violation?
Trump: Nicely, I do not need to know who it’s. You guys can do it very confidentially. You possibly can signal a confidentiality settlement. That is okay. I need not know names. However on these items that we’re speaking about, we bought all that info from the secretary of state.
Meadows: Yeah. So let me let me suggest, Ryan, in case you and Kurt will get collectively, you already know, once we get off of this cellphone name, in case you may get collectively and work out a plan to handle a few of what we have along with your attorneys the place we are able to we are able to truly have a look at the information. For instance, Mr. Secretary, I are you able to say they have been solely two lifeless individuals who would vote. I can promise you there are greater than that. And that could be what your investigation reveals, however I can promise you there are greater than that. However on the similar time, I feel it is vital that we go forward and transfer expeditiously to strive to do that and resolve it as shortly as we probably can. And if that is the nice subsequent step. Hopefully we are able to, we are able to end this cellphone name and go forward and agree that the 2 of you’ll get collectively instantly.
Trump: Nicely, why do not my attorneys present you the place you bought the data. It can present the secretary of state, and you do not even have to take a look at any names. We do not need names. We do not care. However we bought that info from you. And Stacey Abrams is laughing about you. She’s going round saying these guys are dumber than a rock. What she’s performed to this occasion is unbelievable, I inform you. And I solely ran in opposition to her as soon as. And that was with a man named Brian Kemp, and I beat her. And if I did not run, Brian would not have had even a shot, both within the common or within the main. He was lifeless, lifeless as a doornail. He by no means thought he had a shot at both of them. What a schmuck I used to be. However that is the best way it’s. That is the best way it’s. I would really like you . . . for the attorneys . . . I might such as you to maybe meet with Ryan, ideally tomorrow, as a result of I feel we must always come to a decision of this earlier than the election. In any other case you are going to have individuals simply not voting. They do not need to vote. They hate the state, they hate the governor, they usually hate the secretary of state. I’ll inform you that proper now. The one those that like you might be individuals that may by no means vote for you. You realize that, Brad, proper? They such as you, you already know, they such as you. They cannot imagine what they discovered. They need extra individuals such as you. So, look, are you able to get collectively tomorrow? And, Brad, we simply need the reality. It is easy.
And everybody’s going to look excellent if the reality comes out. It is okay. It takes a short while, however let the reality come out. And the true fact is, I received by 400,000 votes. At the least. That is the true fact. However we do not want 400,000 votes. We want lower than 2,000 votes. And are you guys capable of meet tomorrow, Ryan?
Germany: I will get with Chris, the lawyer who’s representing us within the case, and see when he can get along with Kurt.
Raffensperger: Ryan will likely be in contact with the opposite lawyer on this name, Mr. Meadows. Thanks, President Trump, on your time.
Trump: Okay, thanks, Brad. Thanks, Ryan. Thanks. Thanks, everyone. Thanks very a lot. Bye.