Legal experts say Trump broke law in leaked phone call with Raffensperger


A transcript of President Donald Trump’s name with Brad Raffensperger is proven beneath, through the Washington Submit: 

White Home Chief of Workers Mark Meadows: Okay. Alright. Mr. President, everyone seems to be on the road. That is Mark Meadows, the chief of employees. Simply so all of us are conscious. On the road is secretary of state and two different people. Jordan and Mr. Germany with him. You even have the attorneys that characterize the president, Kurt and Alex and Cleta Mitchell — who is just not the legal professional of report however has been concerned — myself after which the president. So Mr. President, I’ll flip it over to you. 

President Donald Trump: Okay, thanks very a lot. Hi there Brad and Ryan and everyone. We respect the time and the decision. So we’ve spent quite a lot of time on this, and if we may simply go over among the numbers, I feel it’s fairly clear that we gained. We gained very considerably in Georgia. You even see it by rally dimension, frankly. We’d be getting 25-30,000 folks a rally, and the competitors would get lower than 100 folks. And it by no means made sense.

However we’ve quite a lot of issues. We’ve at the very least 2 or 3 — wherever from 250 to 300,000 ballots have been dropped mysteriously into the rolls. A lot of that needed to do with Fulton County, which hasn’t been checked. We expect that should you test the signatures — an actual test of the signatures going again in Fulton County — you’ll discover at the very least a few hundred thousand of solid signatures of people that have been solid. And we’re fairly positive that’s going to occur.

One other super quantity. We’re going to have an correct quantity over the following two days with licensed accountants. However an correct quantity might be given, but it surely’s within the 50s of hundreds — and that’s folks that went to vote and so they have been instructed they’ll’t vote as a result of they’ve already been voted for. And it’s a really unhappy factor. They walked out complaining. However the quantity’s giant. We’ll have it for you. But it surely’s far more than the variety of 11,779 that’s — the present margin is just 11,779. Brad, I feel you agree with that, proper? That’s one thing I feel everybody — at the very least that’s a quantity that everybody agrees on.

However that’s the distinction within the votes. However we’ve had a whole lot of hundreds of ballots that we’re capable of truly — we’ll get you a reasonably correct quantity. You don’t want a lot of a quantity as a result of the quantity that in principle I misplaced by, the margin can be 11,779. However you even have a considerable numbers of individuals, hundreds and hundreds, who went to the voting place on November 3, have been instructed they couldn’t vote, have been instructed they couldn’t vote as a result of a poll had been placed on their title. And you understand that’s very, very, very, very unhappy.

We had, I imagine it’s about 4,502 voters who voted however who weren’t on the voter registration checklist, so it’s 4,502 who voted, however they weren’t on the voter registration roll, which they needed to be. You had 18,325 vacant tackle voters. The tackle was vacant, and so they’re not allowed to be counted. That’s 18,325.

Smaller quantity — you had 904 who solely voted the place they’d only a P.O. — a put up workplace field quantity — and so they had a put up workplace field quantity, and that’s not allowed. We had at the very least 18,000 — that’s on tape, we had them counted very painstakingly — 18,000 voters having to do with [name]. She’s a vote scammer, an expert vote scammer and hustler [name]. That was the tape that’s been proven all around the world that makes everyone look dangerous, you, me and everyone else.

The place they bought — primary they mentioned very clearly and it’s been reported that they mentioned there was a significant water primary break. Everyone fled the realm. After which they got here again, [name] and her daughter and some folks. There have been no Republican ballot watchers. Truly, there have been no Democrat ballot watchers, I assume they have been them. However there have been no Democrats, both, and there was no legislation enforcement. Late within the morning, early within the morning, they went to the desk with the black gown and the black protect, and so they pulled out the votes. These votes have been put there quite a lot of hours earlier than — the desk was put there — I feel it was, Brad, you’ll know, it was in all probability eight hours or seven hours earlier than, after which it was filled with votes.

They weren’t in an official voter field; they have been in what suitcases or trunks, suitcases, however they weren’t in voter packing containers. The minimal quantity it might be as a result of we watched it, and so they watched it licensed in sluggish movement on the spot replay should you can imagine it, however sluggish movement, and it was magnified many instances over, and the minimal it was 18,000 ballots, all for Biden.

You had out-of-state voters. They voted in Georgia, however they have been from out of state, of 4,925. You had absentee ballots despatched to vacant, they have been absentee ballots despatched to vacant addresses. They’d nothing on them about addresses, that’s 2,326.

And also you had dropboxes, which could be very dangerous. You had dropboxes that have been picked up. We’ve images, and we’ve affidavits from many individuals.

I don’t know should you noticed the hearings, however you’ve got dropboxes the place the field was picked up however not delivered for 3 days. So all types of issues may have occurred to that field, together with, you understand, placing within the votes that you just needed. So there have been many infractions, and the underside line is, many, many instances the 11,779 margin that they mentioned we misplaced by — we had huge, I imply the state is in turmoil over this.

And I do know you wish to unravel it, though I noticed you on tv at the moment, and also you mentioned that you just discovered nothing flawed. I imply, you understand, and I didn’t lose the state, Brad. Individuals have been saying that it was the very best vote ever. There was no manner. Plenty of the political folks mentioned that there’s no manner they beat me. They usually beat me. They beat me within the . . . As you understand, each single state, we gained each state. We gained each statehouse within the nation. We held the Senate, which is surprising to folks, though we’ll see what occurs tomorrow or in a couple of days.

And we gained the Home, however we gained each single statehouse, and we gained Congress, which was presupposed to lose 15 seats, and so they gained, I feel 16 or 17 or one thing. I feel there’s a now distinction of 5. There was presupposed to be a distinction considerably extra. However politicians in each state, however politicians in Georgia have given affidavits and are going to that, that there was no manner that they beat me within the election, that the folks got here out, in actual fact, they have been anticipating to lose, after which they ended up successful by so much due to the coattails. They usually mentioned there’s no manner, that they’ve performed many polls previous to the election, that there was no manner that they gained.

Ballots have been dropped in large numbers. And we’re making an attempt to get to these numbers and we could have them.

They’ll take a time period. Licensed. However however they’re large numbers. And much better than the 11,779.

The opposite factor, useless folks. So useless folks voted, and I feel the quantity is shut to five,000 folks. They usually went to obituaries. They went to all types of strategies to provide you with an correct quantity, and a minimal is near about 5,000 voters.

The underside line is, once you add all of it up and then you definitely begin including, you understand, 300,000 faux ballots. Then the opposite factor they mentioned is in Fulton County and different areas. And this may occasionally or might not be true . . . this simply got here up this morning, that they’re burning their ballots, that they’re shredding, shredding ballots and eradicating gear. They’re altering the gear on the Dominion machines and, you understand, that’s not authorized.

They usually supposedly shredded I feel they mentioned 300 kilos of, 3,000 kilos of ballots. And that simply got here to us as a report at the moment. And it’s a very unhappy state of affairs.

However Brad, should you took the minimal numbers the place many, many instances above the 11,779, and plenty of of these numbers are licensed, or they are going to be licensed, however they’re licensed. And people are numbers which can be there, that exist. And that beat the margin of loss, they beat it, I imply, by so much, and other people ought to be glad to have an correct depend as an alternative of an election the place there’s turmoil.

I imply there’s turmoil in Georgia and different locations. You’re not the one one, I imply, we’ve different states that I imagine might be flipping to us very shortly. And that is one thing that — you understand, for example, I feel it in Detroit, I feel there’s a piece, a very good part of your state truly, which we’re unsure so we’re not going to report it but. However in Detroit, we had, I feel it was, 139 p.c of the folks voted. That’s not too good.

In Pennsylvania, they’d properly over 200,000 extra votes than they’d folks voting. And that doesn’t play too properly, and the legislature there’s, which is Republican, is extraordinarily activist and indignant. I imply, there have been different issues additionally that have been nearly as dangerous as that. However they’d for example, in Michigan, an amazing variety of useless folks that voted. I feel it was, I feel, Mark, it was 18,000. Some unbelievably excessive quantity, a lot larger than yours, you have been within the 4-5,000 class.

And that was checked out laboriously by going by means of, by going by means of the obituary columns within the newspapers.

So I assume with all of it being mentioned, Brad, the underside line, and provisional ballots, once more, you understand, you’ll have to inform me concerning the provisional ballots, however we’ve lots of people that have been complaining that they weren’t capable of vote as a result of they have been already voted for. These are nice folks.

And, you understand, they have been shellshocked. I don’t know should you name that provisional ballots. In some states, we had quite a lot of provisional poll conditions the place folks got a provisional poll as a result of once they walked in on November 3 and so they have been already voted for.

In order that’s it. I imply, we’ve many, many instances the variety of votes essential to win the state. And we gained the state, and we gained it very considerably and simply, and we’re getting, we’ve, a lot of it is a very licensed, way more licensed than we’d like. However we’re getting extra numbers licensed, too. And we’re getting footage of dropboxes being delivered and delivered late. Delivered three days later, in some instances, plus we’ve many affidavits to that impact.

Meadows: So, Mr. President, if I would have the ability to soar in, and I’ll give Brad an opportunity. Mr. Secretary, clearly there’s, there are allegations the place we imagine that not each vote or truthful vote and authorized vote was counted, and that’s at odds with the illustration from the secretary of state’s workplace.

What I’m eager for is there a way that we will, we will discover some type of settlement to have a look at this a little bit bit extra absolutely? You already know the president talked about Fulton County.

However in a few of these areas the place there appears to be a distinction of the place the information appear to guide, and so Mr. Secretary, I used to be hopeful that, you understand, within the spirit of cooperation and compromise, is there one thing that we will at the very least have a dialogue to have a look at a few of these allegations to discover a path ahead that’s much less litigious?

Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger: Properly, I listened to what the president has simply mentioned. President Trump, we’ve had a number of lawsuits, and we’ve needed to reply in courtroom to the lawsuits and the contentions. We don’t agree that you’ve got gained. And we don’t — I didn’t agree concerning the 200,000 quantity that you just’d talked about. I’ll undergo that time by level.

What we’ve performed is we gave our state Senate about one and a half hours of our time going by means of the election difficulty by difficulty after which on the state Home, the federal government affairs committee, we gave them about two and a half hours of our time, going again level by level on all the problems of competition. After which only a few days in the past, we met with our U.S. congressmen, Republican congressmen, and we gave them about two hours of our time speaking about this previous election. Going again, primarily what you’ve talked about right here targeted in on primarily, I imagine, is the absentee poll course of. I don’t imagine that you just’re actually questioning the Dominion machines. As a result of we did a hand re-tally, a one hundred pc re-tally of all of the ballots, and in contrast them to what the machines mentioned and got here up with nearly the identical outcome. Then we did the recount, and we bought nearly the identical outcome. So I assume we will in all probability take that off the desk.

I don’t suppose there’s a problem about that.

Trump: Properly, Brad. Not that there’s not a problem, as a result of we’ve an enormous difficulty with Dominion in different states and maybe in yours. However we haven’t felt we wanted to go there. And simply to, you understand, possibly put a little bit totally different spin on what Mark is saying, Mark Meadows, yeah we’d prefer to go additional, however we don’t actually need to. We’ve all of the votes we’d like.

You already know, we gained the state. Should you took, these are probably the most minimal numbers, the numbers that I gave you, these are numbers which can be licensed, your absentee ballots despatched to vacant addresses, your out-of-state voters, 4,925. You already know once you add them up, it’s many extra instances, it’s many instances the 11,779 quantity. So we may undergo, we’ve not gone by means of your Dominion. So we will’t give them blessing. I imply, in different states, we predict we discovered super corruption with Dominion machines, however we’ll must see.

However we solely misplaced the state by that quantity, 11,000 votes, and 779. So with that being mentioned, with simply what we’ve, with simply what we’ve, we’re supplying you with minimal, minimal numbers. We’re doing probably the most conservative numbers attainable; we’re many instances, many, many instances above the margin. And so we don’t actually must, Mark, I don’t suppose we’ve to undergo . . .

Meadows: Proper

Trump: As a result of what’s the distinction between successful the election by two votes and successful it by half 1,000,000 votes. I feel I in all probability did win it by half 1,000,000. You already know, one of many issues that occurred, Brad, is we’ve different folks coming in now from Alabama and from South Carolina and from different states, and so they’re saying it’s unattainable so that you can have misplaced Georgia. We gained. You already know in Alabama, we set a report, bought the very best vote ever. In Georgia, we set a report with an enormous quantity of votes. They usually say it’s not attainable to have misplaced Georgia.

And I may inform you by our rallies. I may inform you by the rally I’m having on Monday night time, the place, they have already got traces of individuals standing out entrance ready. It’s simply not attainable to have misplaced Georgia. It’s not attainable. After I heard it was shut, I mentioned there’s no manner. However they dropped quite a lot of votes in there late at night time. You already know that, Brad. And that’s what we’re engaged on very, very stringently. However no matter these votes, with all of it being mentioned, we misplaced by primarily 11,000 votes, and we’ve many extra votes already calculated and licensed, too.

And so I simply don’t know, you understand, Mark, I don’t know what’s the aim. I gained’t give Dominion a go as a result of we discovered too many dangerous issues. However we don’t want Dominion or anything. We’ve gained this election in Georgia based mostly on all of this. And there’s nothing flawed with saying that, Brad. You already know, I imply, having the right — the folks of Georgia are indignant. And these numbers are going to be repeated on Monday night time. Together with others that we’re going to have by that point, that are far more substantial even. And the folks of Georgia are indignant, the folks of the nation are indignant. And there’s nothing flawed with saying that, you understand, that you just’ve recalculated. As a result of the two,236 in absentee ballots. I imply, they’re all precise numbers that have been performed by accounting companies, legislation companies, and many others. And even should you minimize ’em in half, minimize ’em in half and minimize ’em in half once more, it’s extra votes than we’d like. 

Raffensperger: Properly, Mr. President, the problem that you’ve got is the information you’ve got is flawed. We talked to the congressmen, and so they have been shocked.

However they — I assume there was an individual named Mr. Braynard who got here to those conferences and offered knowledge, and he mentioned that there was useless folks, I imagine it was upward of 5,000. The precise quantity have been two. Two. Two folks that have been useless that voted. In order that’s flawed.

Trump: Properly, Cleta, how do you reply to that? Possibly you inform me?

Trump legal professional Cleta Mitchell: Properly, I might say, Mr. Secretary, one of many issues that we’ve requested and what we mentioned was, should you look, should you learn our petition, it mentioned that we took the names and delivery years, and we had sure data out there to us. We’ve requested out of your workplace for information that solely you’ve got, and so we mentioned there’s a universe of people that have the identical title and similar delivery yr and died.

However we don’t have the information that you’ve got. And one of many issues that we’ve been suggesting formally and informally for weeks now’s so that you can make out there to us the information that may be obligatory —

Trump: However, Cleta, even earlier than you try this, and never even together with that, that’s why I hardly even included that quantity, though in a single state, we’ve an amazing quantity of useless folks. So I don’t know — I’m positive we do in Georgia, too. I’m positive we do in Georgia, too.

However we’re thus far forward. We’re thus far forward of those numbers, even the phony ballots of [name] , recognized scammer. You already know the Web? You already know what was trending on the Web? “The place’s [name]?” As a result of they thought she’d be in jail. “The place’s [name]?” It’s loopy, it’s loopy. That was. The minimal quantity is eighteen,000 for [name] , however they suppose it’s in all probability about 56,000, however the minimal quantity is eighteen,000 on the [name] night time the place she ran again in there when everyone was gone and stuffed, she stuffed the poll packing containers. Let’s face it, Brad, I imply. They did it in sluggish movement replay magnified, proper? She stuffed the poll packing containers. They have been stuffed like no person has ever seen them stuffed earlier than.

So there’s a time period for it when it’s a machine as an alternative of a poll field, however she stuffed the machine. She stuffed the poll. Every poll went thrice, they have been displaying: Right here’s poll No 1. Right here it’s a second time, third time, subsequent poll.

I imply, look. Brad. We’ve a brand new tape that we’re going to launch. It’s devastating. And by the way in which, that one occasion, that one occasion is far more than the 11,000 votes that we’re speaking about. It’s, you understand, that one occasion was a catastrophe. And it’s simply, you understand, but it surely was, it was one thing, it may possibly’t be disputed. And once more, we’ve a model that you just haven’t seen, but it surely’s magnified. It’s magnified, and you may see all the things. For some purpose, they put it in thrice, every poll, and I don’t know why. I don’t know why thrice. Why not 5 instances, proper? Go forward.

Raffensperger: You’re speaking concerning the State Farm video. And I feel it’s extraordinarily unlucky that Rudy Giuliani or his folks, they sliced and diced that video and took it out of context. The following day, we introduced in WSB-TV, and we allow them to present, see the complete run of tape, and what you’ll see, the occasions that transpired are nowhere close to what was projected by, you understand —

Trump: However the place have been the ballot watchers, Brad? There have been no ballot watchers there. There have been no Democrats or Republicans. There was no safety there.

It was late within the night, late within the, early within the morning, and there was no person else within the room. The place have been the ballot watchers, and why did they are saying a water primary broke, which they did and which was reported within the newspapers? They mentioned they left. They ran out due to a water primary break, and there was no water primary. There was nothing. There was no break. There was no water primary break. However we’re, should you take out all the things, the place have been the Republican ballot watchers, even the place have been the Democrat pollwatchers, as a result of there have been none.

And then you definitely say, properly, they left their station, you understand, should you have a look at the tape, and this was, this was reviewed by skilled police and detectives and different folks, once they left in a rush, everyone left in a rush due to the water primary, however everyone left in a rush. These folks left their station.

After they got here again, they didn’t go to their station. They went to the apron, wrapped across the desk, underneath which have been hundreds and hundreds of ballots in a field that was not an official or a sealed field. After which they took these. They went again to a special station. So if they’d have come again, they’d have walked to their station, and they’d have continued to work. However they couldn’t do even that as a result of that’s unlawful, as a result of they’d no Republican pollwatchers. And keep in mind, her popularity is — she’s recognized all around the Web, Brad. She’s recognized throughout.

I’m telling you, “The place’s [name] ” was one of many sizzling gadgets . . . [name] They knew her. “The place’s [name]?” So Brad, there could be no justification for that. And I, you understand, I give everyone the advantage of the doubt. However that was — and Brad, why did they put the votes in thrice? You already know, they put ’em in thrice.

Raffensperger: Mr. President, they didn’t put that. We did an audit of that, and we proved conclusively that they weren’t scanned thrice.

Trump: The place was everyone else at that late time within the morning? The place was everyone? The place have been the Republicans? The place have been the safety guards? Have been the folks that have been there just a bit whereas earlier than when everybody ran out of the room. How come we had no safety within the room. Why did they run to the underside of the desk? Why do they run there and simply open the skirt and rip out the votes. I imply, Brad. They usually have been sitting there, I feel for 5 hours or one thing like that, the votes.

Raffensperger: Mr. President, we’ll ship you the hyperlink from WSB.

Trump: I don’t care concerning the hyperlink. I don’t want it. Brad, I’ve a significantly better —

Mitchell: I’ll inform you. I’ve seen the tape. The complete tape. So has Alex. We’ve watched it. And what we noticed and what we’ve confirmed within the timing is that they made everyone go away — we’ve sworn affidavits saying that. After which they started to course of ballots. And our estimate is that there have been roughly 18,000 ballots. We don’t know that. If you understand that . . . 

Trump: It was 18,000 ballots, however they used every one thrice.

Mitchell: Properly, I don’t find out about that.

Trump: I do suppose we had ours magnified out.

Mitchell: I’ve watched your complete tape.

Trump: No person could make a case for that, Brad. No person. I imply, look, you’d must be a toddler to suppose something aside from that. Only a little one.

Mitchell: What number of ballots, Mr. Secretary, are you saying have been processed then?

Raffensperger: We had GBI . . . examine that.

Germany: We had our — that is Ryan Germany. We had our legislation enforcement officers discuss to everybody who was, who was there after that occasion got here to gentle. GBI was with them in addition to FBI brokers.

Trump: Properly, there’s no manner they may — then they’re incompetent. They’re both dishonest or incompetent, okay?

Mitchell: Properly, what did they discover?

Trump: There’s solely two solutions, dishonesty or incompetence. There’s simply no manner. Look. There’s no manner. And on the opposite factor, I mentioned too, there isn’t any manner. I imply, there’s no manner that these items may have been, you understand, you’ve got all these totally different folks that voted, however they don’t stay in Georgia anymore. What was that quantity, Cleta? That was a reasonably good quantity, too.

Mitchell: The quantity who’ve registered out of state after they moved from Georgia. And they also had a date once they moved from Georgia, they registered to vote out of state, after which it’s like 4,500, I don’t have that quantity proper in entrance of me.

Trump: After which they got here again in, and so they voted.

Mitchell: And voted. Yeah.

Trump: I believed that was a big quantity, although. It was within the 20s.

Ryan Germany, Raffensberger’s Common Counsel: We’ve been going by means of every of these as properly, and people numbers that we bought, that Ms. Mitchell was simply saying, they’re not correct. Each one we’ve been by means of are folks that lived in Georgia, moved to a special state, however then moved again to Georgia legitimately. And in lots of instances —

Trump: How might folks try this? They moved out, after which they mentioned, “Ah, to hell with it, I’ll transfer again.” You already know, it doesn’t sound like a really regular . . . you imply, they moved out, and what, they missed it a lot that they needed to maneuver again in? It’s loopy.

Germany: They moved again in years in the past. This was not like one thing simply earlier than the election. So there’s one thing about that knowledge that, it’s simply not correct.

Trump: Properly, I don’t know, all I do know is that it’s licensed. They usually moved out of Georgia, and so they voted. It didn’t say they moved again in, Cleta, did it?

Mitchell: No, however I imply, we’re trying on the voter registration. Once more, you probably have extra information, we’ve been asking for that, however you haven’t shared any of that with us. You simply preserve saying you investigated the allegations.

Trump: Cleta, quite a lot of it you don’t must be shared. I imply, to be sincere, they need to share it. They need to share it since you wish to get to an sincere election.

I gained this election by a whole lot of hundreds of votes. There’s no manner I misplaced Georgia. There’s no manner. We gained by a whole lot of hundreds of votes. I’m simply going by small numbers, once you add them up, they’re many instances the 11,000. However I gained that state by a whole lot of hundreds of votes.

Do you suppose it’s attainable that they shredded ballots in Fulton County? As a result of that’s what the rumor is. And in addition that Dominion took out machines. That Dominion is actually transferring quick to eliminate their, uh, equipment.

Are you aware something about that? As a result of that’s unlawful, proper?

Germany: That is Ryan Germany. No, Dominion has not moved any equipment out of Fulton County.

Trump: However have they moved the interior elements of the machines and changed them with different elements?

Germany: No.

Trump: Are you positive, Ryan?

Germany: I’m positive. I’m positive, Mr. President.

Trump: What about, what concerning the ballots. The shredding of the ballots. Have they been shredding ballots?

Germany: The one investigation that we’ve into that — they haven’t been shredding any ballots. There was a problem in Cobb County the place they have been doing regular workplace shredding, eliminating previous stuff, and we investigated that. However these things from, you understand, from you understand previous elections.

Trump: It doesn’t go the odor take a look at as a result of we hear they’re shredding hundreds and hundreds of ballots, and now what they’re saying, “Oh, we’re simply cleansing up the workplace.” You already know.

Raffensperger: Mr. President, the issue you’ve got with social media, they — folks can say something.

Trump: Oh this isn’t social media. That is Trump media. It’s not social media. It’s actually not; it’s not social media. I don’t care about social media. I couldn’t care much less. Social media is Massive Tech. Massive Tech is in your facet, you understand. I don’t even know why you’ve got a facet since you ought to wish to have an correct election. And also you’re a Republican.

Raffensperger: We imagine that we do have an correct election.

Trump: No, no you don’t. No, no you don’t. You don’t have. Not even shut. You’re off by a whole lot of hundreds of votes. And simply on the small numbers, you’re off on these numbers, and these numbers can’t be simply — properly, why wont? — Okay. So that you despatched us into Cobb County for signature verification, proper? You despatched us into Cobb County, which we didn’t wish to go into. And also you mentioned it might be open to the general public. So we had our consultants there, they weren’t allowed into the room. However we didn’t need Cobb County. We needed Fulton County. And also you wouldn’t give it to us. Now, why aren’t we doing signature — and why can’t it’s open to the general public?

And why can’t we’ve professionals do it as an alternative of rank amateurs who won’t ever discover something and don’t wish to discover something? They don’t wish to discover, you understand they don’t wish to discover something. Sometime you’ll inform me the explanation why, as a result of I don’t perceive your reasoning, however sometime you’ll inform me the explanation why. However why don’t you wish to discover?

Germany: Mr. President, we selected Cobb County —

Trump: Why don’t you wish to discover . . . What?

Germany: Sorry, go forward.

Trump: So why did you do Cobb County? We didn’t even request — we requested Fulton County, not Cobb County. Go forward, please. Go forward.

Germany: We selected Cobb County as a result of that was the one county the place there’s been any proof submitted that the signature verification was not correctly performed.

Trump: No, however I instructed you. We’re not, we’re not saying that.

Mitchell: We did say that.

Trump: Fulton County. Look. Stacey, in my view, Stacey is as dishonest as they arrive. She has outplayed you . . . at all the things. She bought you to signal a completely unconstitutional settlement, which is a disastrous settlement. You’ll be able to’t test signatures. I can’t think about you’re allowed to do harvesting, I assume, in that settlement. That settlement is a catastrophe for this nation. However she bought you someway to signal that factor, and he or she has outsmarted you at each step.

And I hate to think about what’s going to occur on Monday or Tuesday, but it surely’s very scary to folks. You already know, when the ballots move in out of nowhere. It’s very scary to folks. That consent decree is a catastrophe. It’s a catastrophe. An excellent lawyer who examined it mentioned they’ve by no means seen something prefer it.

Raffensperger: Harvesting remains to be unlawful within the state of Georgia. And that settlement settlement didn’t change that one iota.

Trump: It’s not a settlement settlement, it’s a consent decree. It even says consent decree on it, doesn’t it? It makes use of the time period consent decree. It doesn’t say settlement settlement. It’s a consent decree. It’s a catastrophe.

Raffensperger: It’s a settlement settlement.

Trump: What’s written on prime of it?

Raffensperger: Ryan?

Germany: I don’t have it in entrance of me, but it surely was not entered by the courtroom, it’s not a courtroom order.

Trump: However Ryan, it’s referred to as a consent decree, is that proper? On the paper. Is that proper?

Germany: I don’t. I don’t. I don’t imagine so, however I don’t have it in entrance of me. 

Trump: Okay, no matter, it’s a catastrophe. It’s a catastrophe. Look. Right here’s the issue. We are able to undergo signature verification, and we’ll discover a whole lot of hundreds of signatures, should you allow us to do it. And the one manner you are able to do it, as you understand, is to go to the previous. However you didn’t try this in Cobb County. You simply checked out one web page in comparison with one other. The one manner you are able to do a signature verification is go from the one which signed it on November no matter. Lately. And evaluate it to 2 years in the past, 4 years in the past, six years in the past, you understand, and even one. And also you’ll discover that you’ve got many various signatures. However in Fulton, the place they dumped ballots, you will see that you’ve got many who aren’t even signed and you’ve got many which can be forgeries.

Okay, you understand that. You already know that. You haven’t any doubt about that. And you will see you can be at 11,779 inside minutes as a result of Fulton County is completely corrupt, and so is she completely corrupt.

They usually’re going round taking part in you and laughing at you behind your again, Brad, whether or not you understand it or not, they’re laughing at you. And also you’ve taken a state that’s a Republican state, and also you’ve made it nearly unattainable for a Republican to win due to dishonest, as a result of they cheated like no person’s ever cheated earlier than. And I don’t care how lengthy it takes me, you understand, we’re going to produce other states coming ahead — fairly good.

However I gained’t . . . that is by no means . . . that is . . . We’ve some unimaginable expertise mentioned they’ve by no means seen something . . . Now the issue is that they want extra time for the massive numbers. However they’re very substantial numbers. However I feel you’re going to effective that they — by the way in which, a little bit data — I feel you’re going to search out that they’re shredding ballots as a result of they must eliminate the ballots as a result of the ballots are unsigned. The ballots are corrupt, and so they’re model new, and so they don’t have seals, and there’s a complete factor with the ballots. However the ballots are corrupt.

And you’re going to discover that they’re — which is completely unlawful — it’s extra unlawful for you than it’s for them as a result of, you understand, what they did and also you’re not reporting it. That’s a legal, that’s a legal offense. And you may’t let that occur. That’s an enormous danger to you and to Ryan, your lawyer. And that’s an enormous danger. However they’re shredding ballots, in my view, based mostly on what I’ve heard. And they’re eradicating equipment, and so they’re transferring it as quick as they’ll, each of that are legal finds. And you may’t let it occur, and you might be letting it occur. You already know, I imply, I’m notifying you that you just’re letting it occur. So look. All I wish to do is that this. I simply wish to discover 11,780 votes, which is yet one more than we’ve as a result of we gained the state.

And flipping the state is a superb testomony to our nation as a result of, you understand, that is — it’s a testomony that they’ll admit to a mistake or no matter you wish to name it. If it was a mistake, I don’t know. Lots of people suppose it wasn’t a mistake. It was far more legal than that. But it surely’s an enormous downside in Georgia, and it’s not an issue that’s going away. I imply, you understand, it’s not an issue that’s going away.

Germany: That is Ryan. We’re trying into each a type of issues that you just talked about.

Trump: Good. However should you discover it, you’ve bought to say it, Ryan.

Germany: . . . Let me inform you what we’re seeing. What we’re seeing is under no circumstances what you’re describing. These are investigators from our workplace, these are investigators from GBI, and so they’re trying, and so they’re good. And that’s not what they’re seeing. And we’ll preserve trying, in any respect these items.

Trump: Properly, you higher test on the ballots as a result of they’re shredding ballots, Ryan. I’m simply telling you, Ryan. They’re shredding ballots. And you need to have a look at that very rigorously. As a result of that’s so unlawful. You already know, you might not even imagine it as a result of it’s so dangerous. However they’re shredding ballots as a result of they suppose we’re going to finally get there . . . as a result of we’ll finally get into Fulton. For my part, it’s by no means too late. . . . So, that’s the story. Look, we’d like solely 11,000 votes. We’ve are way over that because it stands now. We’ll have an increasing number of. And . . . do you’ve got provisional ballots in any respect, Brad? Provisional ballots?

Raffensperger: Provisional ballots are allowed by state legislation.

Trump: Positive, however I imply, are they counted, or did you simply maintain them again as a result of they, you understand, in different phrases, what number of provisional ballots do you’ve got within the state?

Raffensperger: We’ll get you that quantity.

Trump: As a result of most of them are made out to the title Trump. As a result of these are folks that have been scammed once they got here in. And we’ve hundreds of folks that have testified or that wish to testify. After they got here in, they have been proudly going to vote on November 3. They usually have been instructed, “I’m sorry, you’ve already been voted for, you’ve already voted.” The ladies, males began screaming, “No. I proudly voted until November 3.” They mentioned, “I’m sorry, however you’ve already been voted for, and you’ve got a poll.” And these persons are beside themselves. So that they went out, and so they stuffed in a provisional poll, placing the title Trump on it.

And what about that batch of army ballots that got here in. And regardless that I gained the army by so much, it was one hundred pc Trump. I imply one hundred pc Biden. Are you aware about that? A big group of ballots got here in, I feel it was to Fulton County, and so they simply occurred to be one hundred pc for Trump — for Biden — regardless that Trump gained the army by so much, you understand, an amazing quantity. However these ballots have been one hundred pc for Biden. And have you learnt about that? A really substantial quantity got here in, all for Biden. Does anyone find out about it?

Mitchell: I find out about it, however —

Trump: Okay, Cleta, I’m not asking you, Cleta, truthfully. I’m asking Brad. Are you aware concerning the army ballots that we’ve confirmed now. Are you aware concerning the army ballots that got here in that have been one hundred pc, I imply one hundred pc, for Biden. Are you aware about that?

Germany: I don’t find out about that. I do know that we’ve, when army ballots are available, it’s not simply army, it’s additionally army and abroad residents. The army a part of that does typically go Republican. The abroad citizen a part of it typically goes very Democrat. This was a mixture of ’em.

Trump: No, however this was. That’s okay. However I bought like 78 p.c of the army. These ballots have been all for . . . They didn’t inform me abroad. May very well be abroad, too, however I get votes abroad, too, Ryan, in all equity. No they got here in, a big batch got here in, and it was, quote, one hundred pc for Biden. And that’s legal. You already know, that’s legal. Okay. That’s one other legal, that’s one other of the numerous legal occasions, many legal occasions right here.

I don’t know, look, Brad. I bought to get . . . I’ve to search out 12,000 votes, and I’ve them instances so much. And subsequently, I gained the state. That’s earlier than we go to the following step, which is within the strategy of proper now. You already know, and I watched you this morning, and also you mentioned, properly, there was no criminality.

However I imply all of these things could be very harmful stuff. If you discuss no criminality, I feel it’s very harmful so that you can say that.

I simply, I simply don’t know why you don’t wish to have the votes counted as they’re. Like even you once you went and did that test. And I used to be shocked as a result of, you understand . . . And we discovered a couple of thousand votes that have been towards me. I used to be truly shocked as a result of the way in which that test was performed, all you’re doing, you understand, recertifying current votes and, you understand, and you got votes and also you simply counted them up, and you continue to discovered 3,000 that have been dangerous. In order that was kind of shocking that it got here down to a few or 5, I don’t know. Nonetheless quite a lot of votes. However you must return to test from previous years with respect to signatures. And should you test with Fulton County, you’ll have a whole lot of hundreds as a result of they dumped ballots into Fulton County and the opposite county subsequent to it.

So what are we going to do right here, people? I solely want 11,000 votes. Fellas, I want 11,000 votes. Give me a break. You already know, we’ve that in spades already. Or we will preserve it going, however that’s not truthful to the voters of Georgia as a result of they’re going to see what occurred, and so they’re going to see what occurred. I imply, I’ll, I’ll tackle anyone you need with regard to [name] and her pretty daughter, a really pretty younger woman, I’m positive. However, however [name] . . . I’ll tackle anyone you need. And the minimal, there have been 18,000 ballots, however they used them thrice. In order that’s, you understand, quite a lot of votes. They usually have been all to Biden, by the way in which, that’s the opposite factor we didn’t say. You already know, [name] , the one factor I forgot to say, which was an important. You already know that each single poll she did went to Biden. You already know that, proper? Are you aware that, by the way in which, Brad?

Each single poll that she did by means of the machines at early, early within the morning went to Biden. Do you know that, Ryan?

Germany: That’s not correct, Mr. President.

Trump: Huh. What’s correct?

Germany: The numbers that we’re displaying are correct.

Trump: No, about [name] . About early within the morning, Ryan. The place the lady took, you understand, when the entire gang took the stuff from underneath the desk, proper? Are you aware, have you learnt who these ballots, have you learnt who they have been made out to, have you learnt who they have been voting for?

Germany: No, not particularly.

Trump: Did you ever test?

Germany: We did what I described to you earlier —

Trump: No no no — did you ever test the ballots that have been scanned by [name] , a recognized political operative, balloteer? Did ever test who these votes have been for?

Germany: We appeared into that state of affairs that you just described.

Trump: No, they have been one hundred pc for Biden. one hundred pc. There wasn’t a Trump vote in the entire group. Why don’t you wish to discover this, Ryan? What’s flawed with you? I heard your lawyer could be very troublesome, truly, however I’m positive you’re a very good lawyer. You could have a pleasant final title.

However, however I’m simply curious, why wouldn’t, why do you retain combating this factor? It simply doesn’t make sense. We’re manner over the 17,779, proper? We’re manner over that quantity, and simply should you took simply [name] , we’re over that quantity by 5, 5 – 6 instances once you multiply that instances three.

And each single poll went to Biden, and also you didn’t know that, however now you understand it. So inform me, Brad, what are we going to do? We gained the election, and it’s not truthful to take it away from us like this. And it’s going to be very expensive in some ways. And I feel you must say that you just’re going to reexamine it, and you may reexamine it, however reexamine it with folks that wish to discover solutions, not folks that don’t wish to discover solutions. For example, I’m listening to Ryan that he’s in all probability, I’m positive an incredible lawyer and all the things, however he’s making statements about these ballots that he doesn’t know. However he’s making them with such — he did make them with surety. However now I feel he’s much less positive as a result of the reply is, all of them went to Biden, and that alone wins us the election by so much. You already know, so.

Raffensperger: Mr. President, you’ve got folks that submit data, and we’ve our folks that submit data. After which it comes earlier than the courtroom, and the courtroom then has to make a willpower. We’ve to face by our numbers. We imagine our numbers are proper.

Trump: Why do you say that, although? I don’t know. I imply, positive, we will play this sport with the courts, however why do you say that? To start with, they don’t even assign us a decide. They don’t even assign us a decide. However why wouldn’t you . . . Hey Brad, why wouldn’t you wish to take a look at [name] ? And why wouldn’t you wish to say, hey, if in actual fact, President Trump is true about that, then he wins the state of Georgia, simply that one incident alone with out going by means of a whole lot of hundreds of dropped ballots. You simply say, you stick by, I imply I’ve been watching you, you understand, you don’t care about something. “Your numbers are proper.” However your numbers aren’t proper. They’re actually flawed, and so they’re actually flawed, Brad. And I do know this telephone name goes nowhere aside from, aside from in the end, you understand — Look, in the end, I win, okay? Since you guys are so flawed. And also you handled this. You handled the inhabitants of Georgia so badly. You, between you and your governor, who’s down at 21, he was down 21 factors. And like a schmuck, I endorsed him, and he bought elected, however I’ll inform you, he’s a catastrophe.

The persons are so indignant in Georgia, I can’t think about he’s ever getting elected once more, I’ll inform you that a lot proper now. However why wouldn’t you wish to discover the suitable reply, Brad, as an alternative of preserve saying that the numbers are proper? ’Trigger these numbers are so flawed?

Mitchell: Mr. Secretary, Mr. President, one of many issues that we’ve been, Alex can discuss this, we talked about it, and I don’t know whether or not the data has been conveyed to your workplace, however I feel what the president is saying, and what we’ve been making an attempt to do is to say, look, the courtroom is just not performing on our petition. They haven’t even assigned a decide. However the folks of Georgia and the folks of America have a proper to know the solutions. And you’ve got knowledge and information that we don’t have entry to.

And you may preserve telling us and making public assertion that you just investigated this and nothing to see right here. However we don’t find out about that. All we all know is what you inform us. What I don’t perceive is why wouldn’t it’s in everybody’s greatest curiosity to attempt to get to the underside, evaluate the numbers, you understand, should you say, as a result of . . . to attempt to have the ability to get to the reality as a result of we don’t have any manner of confirming what you’re telling us. You inform us that you just had an investigation on the State Farm Area. I don’t have any report. I’ve by no means seen a report of investigation. I don’t know that’s. I’ve been fairly concerned on this, and I don’t know. And that’s simply one in all 25 classes. And it doesn’t even. And as I, because the president mentioned, we haven’t even gotten into the Dominion difficulty. That’s not a part of our case. It’s not a part of, we simply didn’t really feel as if we had any to have the ability to develop —

Trump: No, we do have a manner, however I don’t wish to get into it. We discovered a manner . . . excuse me, however we don’t want it as a result of we’re solely down 11,000 votes, so we don’t even want it. I personally suppose they’re corrupt as hell. However we don’t want that. All we’ve to do, Cleta, is locate 11,000-plus votes. So we don’t want that. I’m not trying to shake up the entire world. We gained Georgia simply. We gained it by a whole lot of hundreds of votes. However should you go by primary, easy numbers, we gained it simply, simply. So we’re not giving Dominion a go on the report. We don’t want Dominion as a result of we’ve so many different votes that we don’t have to show it any greater than we have already got.

Trump legal professional Kurt Hilbert: Mr. President and Cleta, that is Kurt Hilbert, if I would interject for a second. Ryan, I wish to counsel that simply 4 classes which have already been talked about by the president which have truly arduous numbers of 24,149 votes that have been counted illegally. That in and of itself is ample to alter the outcomes or place the end result unsure. We wish to sit down along with your workplace, and we will do it by means of functions of compromise and similar to this telephone name, simply to take care of that restricted class of votes. And if you’ll be able to set up that our numbers should not correct, then effective. Nonetheless, we imagine that they’re correct. We’ve had now three to 4 separate consultants these numbers.

Trump: Licensed accountants checked out them.

Hilbert: Appropriate. And that is simply based mostly on USPS knowledge and your individual secretary of state knowledge. In order that’s what we might entreat and ask you to do, to take a seat down with us in a compromise and settlements continuing and truly undergo the registered voter IDs and the registrations. And should you can persuade us that 24,149 is inaccurate, then effective. However we are inclined to imagine that’s, you understand, clearly greater than 11,779. That’s ample to alter the outcomes fully in and of itself. So what would you say to that, Mr. Germany?

Germany: I’m glad to get with our attorneys, and we’ll set that up. That quantity is just not correct. And I feel we will present you, for all those we’ve checked out, why it’s not. And so if that may be useful, I’m glad to get with our attorneys and set that up with you guys.

Trump: Properly, let me ask you, Kurt, you suppose that’s an correct quantity. That was based mostly on the data given to you by the secretary of state’s division, proper?

Hilbert: That’s right. That data is the minimal, most conservative knowledge based mostly upon the USPS knowledge and the secretary of state’s workplace knowledge that has been made publicly out there. We would not have the inner numbers from the secretary of state. But we’ve requested for it six instances. I despatched a letter over to . . . a number of instances requesting this data, and it’s been rebuffed each single time. So it stands to purpose that if the data is just not forthcoming, there’s one thing to cover. That’s the issue that we’ve.

Germany: Properly, that’s not the case, sir. There are issues that you just guys are entitled to get. And there’s issues that underneath legislation, we’re not allowed to offer out.

Trump: Properly, you must. Properly, underneath legislation, you’re not allowed to offer defective election outcomes, okay? You’re not allowed to try this. And that’s what you performed. It is a defective election outcome. And truthfully, this could go very quick. You must meet tomorrow as a result of you’ve got an enormous election developing, and due to what you’ve performed to the president — you understand, the folks of Georgia know that this was a rip-off — and due to what you’ve performed to the president, lots of people aren’t going out to vote. And quite a lot of Republicans are going to vote destructive as a result of they hate what you probably did to the president. Okay? They hate it. They usually’re going to vote. And you’ll be revered. Actually revered, if this factor might be straightened out earlier than the election. You could have an enormous election developing on Tuesday. And I feel that it’s actually is vital that you just meet tomorrow and work out on these numbers. As a result of I do know, Brad, that should you suppose we’re proper, I feel you’re going to say, and I’m not trying to blame anyone, I’m simply saying, you understand, and, you understand, underneath new counts, and underneath new views, of the election outcomes, we gained the election. You already know? It’s quite simple. We gained the election. Because the governors of main states and the encompassing states mentioned, there isn’t any manner you misplaced Georgia. Because the Georgia politicians say, there isn’t any manner you misplaced Georgia. No person. Everybody is aware of I gained it by a whole lot of hundreds of votes. However I’ll inform you it’s going to have a huge impact on Tuesday should you guys don’t get this factor straightened out quick.

Meadows: Mr. President, that is Mark. It feels like we’ve bought two totally different sides agreeing that we will have a look at these areas, and I assume that we will try this throughout the subsequent 24 to 48 hours, to go forward and get that reconciled in order that we will have a look at the 2 claims and ensuring that we get the entry to the secretary of state’s knowledge to both validate or invalidate the claims which were made. Is that right?

Germany: No, that’s not what I mentioned. I’m glad to have our attorneys sit down with Kurt and the attorneys on that facet and clarify to him, hey, right here’s, based mostly on what we’ve checked out thus far, right here’s how we all know that is flawed, that is flawed, that is flawed, that is flawed, that is flawed.

Meadows: So what you’re saying, Ryan, let me let me be sure . . . so what you’re saying is you actually don’t wish to give entry to the information. You simply wish to make one other case on why the lawsuit is flawed?

Germany: I don’t suppose we can provide entry to knowledge that’s protected by legislation. However we will sit down with them and say —

Trump: However you’re allowed to have a phony election? You’re allowed to have a phony election, proper?

Germany: No, sir.

Trump: When are you going to do signature counts, when are you going to do signature verification on Fulton County, which you mentioned you have been going to do, and now abruptly, you’re not doing it. When are you doing that?

Germany: We’re going to try this. We’ve introduced —

Hilbert: To get to this difficulty of the private data and privateness difficulty, is it attainable that the secretary of state may deputize the attorneys for the president in order that we may entry that data and personal data with out you having any type of violation?

Trump: Properly, I don’t wish to know who it’s. You guys can do it very confidentially. You’ll be able to signal a confidentiality settlement. That’s okay. I don’t have to know names. However on these things that we’re speaking about, we bought all that data from the secretary of state.

Meadows: Yeah. So let me let me advocate, Ryan, should you and Kurt will get collectively, you understand, after we get off of this telephone name, should you may get collectively and work out a plan to deal with a few of what we’ve bought along with your attorneys the place we will we will truly have a look at the information. For instance, Mr. Secretary, I are you able to say they have been solely two useless individuals who would vote. I can promise you there are greater than that. And which may be what your investigation reveals, however I can promise you there are greater than that. However on the similar time, I feel it’s vital that we go forward and transfer expeditiously to attempt to do that and resolve it as shortly as we probably can. And if that’s the nice subsequent step. Hopefully we will, we will end this telephone name and go forward and agree that the 2 of you’ll get collectively instantly.

Trump: Properly, why don’t my attorneys present you the place you bought the data. It’s going to present the secretary of state, and also you don’t even have to have a look at any names. We don’t need names. We don’t care. However we bought that data from you. And Stacey Abrams is laughing about you. She’s going round saying these guys are dumber than a rock. What she’s performed to this celebration is unbelievable, I inform you. And I solely ran towards her as soon as. And that was with a man named Brian Kemp, and I beat her. And if I didn’t run, Brian wouldn’t have had even a shot, both within the common or within the major. He was useless, useless as a doornail. He by no means thought he had a shot at both of them. What a schmuck I used to be. However that’s the way in which it’s. That’s the way in which it’s. I would love you . . . for the attorneys . . . I’d such as you to maybe meet with Ryan, ideally tomorrow, as a result of I feel we must always come to a decision of this earlier than the election. In any other case you’re going to have folks simply not voting. They don’t wish to vote. They hate the state, they hate the governor, and so they hate the secretary of state. I’ll inform you that proper now. The one folks that like you might be folks that may by no means vote for you. You already know that, Brad, proper? They such as you, you understand, they such as you. They’ll’t imagine what they discovered. They need extra folks such as you. So, look, are you able to get collectively tomorrow? And, Brad, we simply need the reality. It’s easy.

And everybody’s going to look superb if the reality comes out. It’s okay. It takes a short time, however let the reality come out. And the true fact is, I gained by 400,000 votes. At the very least. That’s the true fact. However we don’t want 400,000 votes. We want lower than 2,000 votes. And are you guys capable of meet tomorrow, Ryan?

Germany: I’ll get with Chris, the lawyer who’s representing us within the case, and see when he can get along with Kurt.

Raffensperger: Ryan might be in contact with the opposite legal professional on this name, Mr. Meadows. Thanks, President Trump, on your time.

Trump: Okay, thanks, Brad. Thanks, Ryan. Thanks. Thanks, everyone. Thanks very a lot. Bye.  

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