The Washington Post printed the complete transcript of the decision between Donald Trump and Georgia’s Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, which has led to requires Trump to face a felony probe, accused by two Home Democrats of conspiracy to intervene in elections.
On the decision on Saturday January 2 had been Trump, his chief of employees Mark Meadows, and Republican attorneys Cleta Mitchell and Kurt Hilbert, and from Georgia Raffesnperger and his common counsel Ryan Germany. Not on the decision however talked about was Georgia Governor Brian Kemp.
Right here is the complete transcript:
White Home Chief of Workers Mark Meadows: Okay. Alright. Mr. President, everyone seems to be on the road. That is Mark Meadows, the chief of employees. Simply so all of us are conscious. On the road is secretary of state and two different people. Jordan and Mr. Germany with him. You even have the attorneys that characterize the president, Kurt and Alex and Cleta Mitchell — who shouldn’t be the legal professional of report however has been concerned — myself after which the president. So Mr. President, I am going to flip it over to you.
President Donald Trump: Okay, thanks very a lot. Good day Brad and Ryan and everyone. We recognize the time and the decision. So we have spent plenty of time on this, and if we might simply go over among the numbers, I believe it is fairly clear that we received. We received very considerably in Georgia. You even see it by rally dimension, frankly. We would be getting 25-30,000 folks a rally, and the competitors would get lower than 100 folks. And it by no means made sense.
However now we have quite a lot of issues. We’ve a minimum of 2 or 3 — wherever from 250 to 300,000 ballots had been dropped mysteriously into the rolls. A lot of that needed to do with Fulton County, which hasn’t been checked. We expect that if you happen to verify the signatures — an actual verify of the signatures going again in Fulton County — you will discover a minimum of a few hundred thousand of cast signatures of people that have been cast. And we’re fairly certain that is going to occur.
Donald Trump (left) pressured Georgia’s Republican Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger (proper) to ‘discover’ sufficient votes to overturn Joe Biden’s win within the Peach State throughout a unprecedented leaked cellphone name on Saturday
One other great quantity. We will have an correct quantity over the following two days with licensed accountants. However an correct quantity can be given, nevertheless it’s within the 50s of hundreds — and that is folks that went to vote and so they had been instructed they cannot vote as a result of they’ve already been voted for. And it is a very unhappy factor. They walked out complaining. However the quantity’s giant. We’ll have it for you. But it surely’s way more than the variety of 11,779 that is — the present margin is barely 11,779. Brad, I believe you agree with that, proper? That is one thing I believe everybody — a minimum of that is a quantity that everybody agrees on.
However that is the distinction within the votes. However we have had a whole lot of hundreds of ballots that we’re capable of truly — we’ll get you a reasonably correct quantity. You do not want a lot of a quantity as a result of the quantity that in idea I misplaced by, the margin can be 11,779. However you even have a considerable numbers of individuals, hundreds and hundreds, who went to the voting place on November 3, had been instructed they could not vote, had been instructed they could not vote as a result of a poll had been placed on their identify. And that is very, very, very, very unhappy.
We had, I consider it is about 4,502 voters who voted however who weren’t on the voter registration record, so it is 4,502 who voted, however they weren’t on the voter registration roll, which they needed to be. You had 18,325 vacant deal with voters. The deal with was vacant, and so they’re not allowed to be counted. That is 18,325.
Smaller quantity — you had 904 who solely voted the place that they had only a P.O. — a submit workplace field quantity — and so they had a submit workplace field quantity, and that is not allowed. We had a minimum of 18,000 — that is on tape, we had them counted very painstakingly — 18,000 voters having to do with [name]. She’s a vote scammer, knowledgeable vote scammer and hustler [name]. That was the tape that is been proven all around the world that makes everyone look unhealthy, you, me and everyone else.
The place they bought — primary they mentioned very clearly and it has been reported that they mentioned there was a significant water essential break. Everyone fled the realm. After which they got here again, [name] and her daughter and some folks. There have been no Republican ballot watchers. Truly, there have been no Democrat ballot watchers, I suppose they had been them. However there have been no Democrats, both, and there was no legislation enforcement. Late within the morning, early within the morning, they went to the desk with the black gown and the black defend, and so they pulled out the votes. These votes had been put there quite a lot of hours earlier than — the desk was put there — I believe it was, Brad, you’d know, it was most likely eight hours or seven hours earlier than, after which it was full of votes.
They weren’t in an official voter field; they had been in what suitcases or trunks, suitcases, however they weren’t in voter bins. The minimal quantity it may very well be as a result of we watched it, and so they watched it licensed in gradual movement instantaneous replay if you happen to can consider it, however gradual movement, and it was magnified many instances over, and the minimal it was 18,000 ballots, all for Biden.
You had out-of-state voters. They voted in Georgia, however they had been from out of state, of 4,925. You had absentee ballots despatched to vacant, they had been absentee ballots despatched to vacant addresses. They’d nothing on them about addresses, that is 2,326.
And also you had dropboxes, which may be very unhealthy. You had dropboxes that had been picked up. We’ve pictures, and now we have affidavits from many individuals.
I do not know if you happen to noticed the hearings, however you have got dropboxes the place the field was picked up however not delivered for 3 days. So all kinds of issues might have occurred to that field, together with, , placing within the votes that you just wished. So there have been many infractions, and the underside line is, many, many instances the 11,779 margin that they mentioned we misplaced by — we had huge, I imply the state is in turmoil over this.
And I do know you want to unravel it, though I noticed you on tv right this moment, and also you mentioned that you just discovered nothing incorrect. I imply, , and I did not lose the state, Brad. Individuals have been saying that it was the very best vote ever. There was no method. A variety of the political folks mentioned that there is not any method they beat me. They usually beat me. They beat me within the . . . As , each single state, we received each state. We received each statehouse within the nation. We held the Senate, which is stunning to folks, though we’ll see what occurs tomorrow or in just a few days.
And we received the Home, however we received each single statehouse, and we received Congress, which was speculated to lose 15 seats, and so they gained, I believe 16 or 17 or one thing. I believe there is a now distinction of 5. There was speculated to be a distinction considerably extra. However politicians in each state, however politicians in Georgia have given affidavits and are going to that, that there was no method that they beat me within the election, that the folks got here out, in reality, they had been anticipating to lose, after which they ended up successful by so much due to the coattails. They usually mentioned there is not any method, that they’ve achieved many polls previous to the election, that there was no method that they received.
Ballots had been dropped in large numbers. And we’re attempting to get to these numbers and we could have them.
They’re going to take a time period. Licensed. However however they’re large numbers. And much better than the 11,779.
The opposite factor, useless folks. So useless folks voted, and I believe the quantity is shut to five,000 folks. They usually went to obituaries. They went to all kinds of strategies to give you an correct quantity, and a minimal is near about 5,000 voters.
The underside line is, whenever you add all of it up and then you definately begin including, , 300,000 faux ballots. Then the opposite factor they mentioned is in Fulton County and different areas. And this may increasingly or is probably not true . . . this simply got here up this morning, that they’re burning their ballots, that they’re shredding, shredding ballots and eradicating tools. They’re altering the tools on the Dominion machines and, , that is not authorized.
They usually supposedly shredded I believe they mentioned 300 kilos of, 3,000 kilos of ballots. And that simply got here to us as a report right this moment. And it’s a very unhappy state of affairs.
However Brad, if you happen to took the minimal numbers the place many, many instances above the 11,779, and plenty of of these numbers are licensed, or they are going to be licensed, however they’re licensed. And people are numbers which can be there, that exist. And that beat the margin of loss, they beat it, I imply, by so much, and folks must be joyful to have an correct rely as an alternative of an election the place there’s turmoil.
I imply there’s turmoil in Georgia and different locations. You are not the one one, I imply, now we have different states that I consider can be flipping to us very shortly. And that is one thing that — , for example, I believe it in Detroit, I believe there is a part, an excellent part of your state truly, which we’re unsure so we’re not going to report it but. However in Detroit, we had, I believe it was, 139 p.c of the folks voted. That is not too good.
In Pennsylvania, that they had effectively over 200,000 extra votes than that they had folks voting. And that does not play too effectively, and the legislature there’s, which is Republican, is extraordinarily activist and indignant. I imply, there have been different issues additionally that had been nearly as unhealthy as that. However that they had for example, in Michigan, an amazing variety of useless folks that voted. I believe it was, I believe, Mark, it was 18,000. Some unbelievably excessive quantity, a lot increased than yours, you had been within the 4-5,000 class.
And that was checked out laboriously by going via, by going via the obituary columns within the newspapers.
So I suppose with all of it being mentioned, Brad, the underside line, and provisional ballots, once more, , you will have to inform me concerning the provisional ballots, however now we have lots of people that had been complaining that they weren’t capable of vote as a result of they had been already voted for. These are nice folks.
And, , they had been shellshocked. I do not know if you happen to name that provisional ballots. In some states, we had plenty of provisional poll conditions the place folks got a provisional poll as a result of after they walked in on November 3 and so they had been already voted for.
In order that’s it. I imply, now we have many, many instances the variety of votes essential to win the state. And we received the state, and we received it very considerably and simply, and we’re getting, now we have, a lot of it is a very licensed, way more licensed than we want. However we’re getting further numbers licensed, too. And we’re getting photos of dropboxes being delivered and delivered late. Delivered three days later, in some circumstances, plus now we have many affidavits to that impact.
Meadows: So, Mr. President, if I’d have the ability to soar in, and I am going to give Brad an opportunity. Mr. Secretary, clearly there’s, there are allegations the place we consider that not each vote or honest vote and authorized vote was counted, and that is at odds with the illustration from the secretary of state’s workplace.
What I am looking forward to is there a way that we will, we will discover some type of settlement to take a look at this somewhat bit extra totally? You understand the president talked about Fulton County.
However in a few of these areas the place there appears to be a distinction of the place the details appear to steer, and so Mr. Secretary, I used to be hopeful that, , within the spirit of cooperation and compromise, is there one thing that we will a minimum of have a dialogue to take a look at a few of these allegations to discover a path ahead that is much less litigious?
Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger: Properly, I listened to what the president has simply mentioned. President Trump, we have had a number of lawsuits, and we have needed to reply in courtroom to the lawsuits and the contentions. We do not agree that you’ve received. And we do not — I did not agree concerning the 200,000 quantity that you just’d talked about. I am going to undergo that time by level.
What now we have achieved is we gave our state Senate about one and a half hours of our time going via the election subject by subject after which on the state Home, the federal government affairs committee, we gave them about two and a half hours of our time, going again level by level on all the problems of competition. After which just some days in the past, we met with our U.S. congressmen, Republican congressmen, and we gave them about two hours of our time speaking about this previous election. Going again, primarily what you have talked about right here centered in on primarily, I consider, is the absentee poll course of. I do not consider that you just’re actually questioning the Dominion machines. As a result of we did a hand re-tally, a 100% re-tally of all of the ballots, and in contrast them to what the machines mentioned and got here up with just about the identical consequence. Then we did the recount, and we bought just about the identical consequence. So I suppose we will most likely take that off the desk.
I do not assume there’s a difficulty about that.
Trump: Properly, Brad. Not that there is not a difficulty, as a result of now we have an enormous subject with Dominion in different states and maybe in yours. However we have not felt we wanted to go there. And simply to, , possibly put somewhat totally different spin on what Mark is saying, Mark Meadows, yeah we would prefer to go additional, however we do not actually need to. We’ve all of the votes we want.
You understand, we received the state. Should you took, these are probably the most minimal numbers, the numbers that I gave you, these are numbers which can be licensed, your absentee ballots despatched to vacant addresses, your out-of-state voters, 4,925. You understand whenever you add them up, it is many extra instances, it is many instances the 11,779 quantity. So we might undergo, now we have not gone via your Dominion. So we won’t give them blessing. I imply, in different states, we expect we discovered great corruption with Dominion machines, however we’ll need to see.
However we solely misplaced the state by that quantity, 11,000 votes, and 779. So with that being mentioned, with simply what now we have, with simply what now we have, we’re providing you with minimal, minimal numbers. We’re doing probably the most conservative numbers attainable; we’re many instances, many, many instances above the margin. And so we do not actually need to, Mark, I do not assume now we have to undergo . . .
Trump: As a result of what is the distinction between successful the election by two votes and successful it by half one million votes. I believe I most likely did win it by half one million. You understand, one of many issues that occurred, Brad, is now we have different folks coming in now from Alabama and from South Carolina and from different states, and so they’re saying it is not possible so that you can have misplaced Georgia. We received. You understand in Alabama, we set a report, bought the very best vote ever. In Georgia, we set a report with an enormous quantity of votes. They usually say it is not attainable to have misplaced Georgia.
And I might inform you by our rallies. I might inform you by the rally I am having on Monday night time, the place, they have already got traces of individuals standing out entrance ready. It is simply not attainable to have misplaced Georgia. It is not attainable. Once I heard it was shut, I mentioned there is not any method. However they dropped plenty of votes in there late at night time. You understand that, Brad. And that is what we’re engaged on very, very stringently. However no matter these votes, with all of it being mentioned, we misplaced by primarily 11,000 votes, and now we have many extra votes already calculated and authorized, too.
And so I simply do not know, , Mark, I do not know what is the function. I will not give Dominion a cross as a result of we discovered too many unhealthy issues. However we do not want Dominion or the rest. We’ve received this election in Georgia primarily based on all of this. And there is nothing incorrect with saying that, Brad. You understand, I imply, having the proper — the folks of Georgia are indignant. And these numbers are going to be repeated on Monday night time. Together with others that we’ll have by that point, that are way more substantial even. And the folks of Georgia are indignant, the folks of the nation are indignant. And there is nothing incorrect with saying that, , that you have recalculated. As a result of the two,236 in absentee ballots. I imply, they’re all actual numbers that had been achieved by accounting corporations, legislation corporations, and many others. And even if you happen to minimize ’em in half, minimize ’em in half and minimize ’em in half once more, it is extra votes than we want.
Raffensperger: Properly, Mr. President, the problem that you’ve is the information you have got is incorrect. We talked to the congressmen, and so they had been shocked.
However they — I suppose there was an individual named Mr. Braynard who got here to those conferences and introduced knowledge, and he mentioned that there was useless folks, I consider it was upward of 5,000. The precise quantity had been two. Two. Two folks that had been useless that voted. In order that’s incorrect.
Trump: Properly, Cleta, how do you reply to that? Perhaps you inform me?
Trump legal professional Cleta Mitchell: Properly, I might say, Mr. Secretary, one of many issues that now we have requested and what we mentioned was, if you happen to look, if you happen to learn our petition, it mentioned that we took the names and delivery years, and we had sure info obtainable to us. We’ve requested out of your workplace for information that solely you have got, and so we mentioned there’s a universe of people that have the identical identify and similar delivery yr and died.
However we do not have the information that you’ve. And one of many issues that now we have been suggesting formally and informally for weeks now’s so that you can make obtainable to us the information that may be obligatory —
Trump: However, Cleta, even earlier than you try this, and never even together with that, that is why I hardly even included that quantity, though in a single state, now we have an amazing quantity of useless folks. So I do not know — I am certain we do in Georgia, too. I am certain we do in Georgia, too.
However we’re thus far forward. We’re thus far forward of those numbers, even the phony ballots of [name] , recognized scammer. You understand the Web? You understand what was trending on the Web? ‘The place’s [name]?’ As a result of they thought she’d be in jail. ‘The place’s [name]?’ It is loopy, it is loopy. That was. The minimal quantity is eighteen,000 for [name] , however they assume it is most likely about 56,000, however the minimal quantity is eighteen,000 on the [name] night time the place she ran again in there when everyone was gone and stuffed, she stuffed the poll bins. Let’s face it, Brad, I imply. They did it in gradual movement replay magnified, proper? She stuffed the poll bins. They had been stuffed like no one has ever seen them stuffed earlier than.
So there is a time period for it when it is a machine as an alternative of a poll field, however she stuffed the machine. She stuffed the poll. Every poll went 3 times, they had been exhibiting: Here is poll No 1. Right here it’s a second time, third time, subsequent poll.
I imply, look. Brad. We’ve a brand new tape that we’ll launch. It is devastating. And by the way in which, that one occasion, that one occasion is way more than the 11,000 votes that we’re speaking about. It is, , that one occasion was a catastrophe. And it is simply, , nevertheless it was, it was one thing, it could’t be disputed. And once more, now we have a model that you have not seen, nevertheless it’s magnified. It is magnified, and you may see every part. For some purpose, they put it in 3 times, every poll, and I do not know why. I do not know why 3 times. Why not 5 instances, proper? Go forward.
Raffensperger: You are speaking concerning the State Farm video. And I believe it is extraordinarily unlucky that Rudy Giuliani or his folks, they sliced and diced that video and took it out of context. The following day, we introduced in WSB-TV, and we allow them to present, see the complete run of tape, and what you will see, the occasions that transpired are nowhere close to what was projected by, —
Trump: However the place had been the ballot watchers, Brad? There have been no ballot watchers there. There have been no Democrats or Republicans. There was no safety there.
It was late within the night, late within the, early within the morning, and there was no one else within the room. The place had been the ballot watchers, and why did they are saying a water essential broke, which they did and which was reported within the newspapers? They mentioned they left. They ran out due to a water essential break, and there was no water essential. There was nothing. There was no break. There was no water essential break. However we’re, if you happen to take out every part, the place had been the Republican ballot watchers, even the place had been the Democrat pollwatchers, as a result of there have been none.
And then you definately say, effectively, they left their station, , if you happen to take a look at the tape, and this was, this was reviewed by skilled police and detectives and different folks, after they left in a rush, everyone left in a rush due to the water essential, however everyone left in a rush. These folks left their station.
Once they got here again, they did not go to their station. They went to the apron, wrapped across the desk, underneath which had been hundreds and hundreds of ballots in a field that was not an official or a sealed field. After which they took these. They went again to a special station. So if they’d have come again, they’d have walked to their station, and they might have continued to work. However they could not do even that as a result of that is unlawful, as a result of that they had no Republican pollwatchers. And bear in mind, her fame is — she’s recognized all around the Web, Brad. She’s recognized throughout.
I am telling you, ‘The place’s [name] ‘ was one of many scorching objects . . . [name] They knew her. ‘The place’s [name]?’ So Brad, there might be no justification for that. And I, , I give everyone the advantage of the doubt. However that was — and Brad, why did they put the votes in 3 times? You understand, they put ’em in 3 times.
Raffensperger: Mr. President, they didn’t put that. We did an audit of that, and we proved conclusively that they weren’t scanned 3 times.
Trump: The place was everyone else at that late time within the morning? The place was everyone? The place had been the Republicans? The place had been the safety guards? Had been the folks that had been there just a bit whereas earlier than when everybody ran out of the room. How come we had no safety within the room. Why did they run to the underside of the desk? Why do they run there and simply open the skirt and rip out the votes. I imply, Brad. They usually had been sitting there, I believe for 5 hours or one thing like that, the votes.
Raffensperger: Mr. President, we’ll ship you the hyperlink from WSB.
Trump: I do not care concerning the hyperlink. I do not want it. Brad, I’ve a a lot better —
Mitchell: I’ll inform you. I’ve seen the tape. The total tape. So has Alex. We have watched it. And what we noticed and what we have confirmed within the timing is that they made everyone go away — now we have sworn affidavits saying that. After which they started to course of ballots. And our estimate is that there have been roughly 18,000 ballots. We do not know that. If that . . .
Trump: It was 18,000 ballots, however they used every one 3 times.
Mitchell: Properly, I do not learn about that.
Trump: I do assume we had ours magnified out.
Mitchell: I’ve watched the complete tape.
Trump: No person could make a case for that, Brad. No person. I imply, look, you’d need to be a toddler to assume something aside from that. Only a youngster.
Mitchell: What number of ballots, Mr. Secretary, are you saying had been processed then?
Raffensperger: We had GBI . . . examine that.
Germany: We had our — that is Ryan Germany. We had our legislation enforcement officers discuss to everybody who was, who was there after that occasion got here to mild. GBI was with them in addition to FBI brokers.
Trump: Properly, there is not any method they might — then they’re incompetent. They’re both dishonest or incompetent, okay?
Mitchell: Properly, what did they discover?
Trump: There’s solely two solutions, dishonesty or incompetence. There’s simply no method. Look. There isn’t any method. And on the opposite factor, I mentioned too, there is no such thing as a method. I imply, there is not any method that this stuff might have been, , you have got all these totally different folks that voted, however they do not dwell in Georgia anymore. What was that quantity, Cleta? That was a reasonably good quantity, too.
Mitchell: The quantity who’ve registered out of state after they moved from Georgia. And they also had a date after they moved from Georgia, they registered to vote out of state, after which it is like 4,500, I haven’t got that quantity proper in entrance of me.
Trump: After which they got here again in, and so they voted.
Mitchell: And voted. Yeah.
Trump: I believed that was a big quantity, although. It was within the 20s.
Ryan Germany, Raffensberger’s Common Counsel: We have been going via every of these as effectively, and people numbers that we bought, that Ms. Mitchell was simply saying, they don’t seem to be correct. Each one we have been via are folks that lived in Georgia, moved to a special state, however then moved again to Georgia legitimately. And in lots of circumstances —
Trump: How could folks try this? They moved out, after which they mentioned, ‘Ah, to hell with it, I am going to transfer again.’ You understand, it would not sound like a really regular . . . you imply, they moved out, and what, they missed it a lot that they wished to maneuver again in? It is loopy.
Germany: They moved again in years in the past. This was not like one thing simply earlier than the election. So there’s one thing about that knowledge that, it is simply not correct.
Trump: Properly, I do not know, all I do know is that it’s licensed. They usually moved out of Georgia, and so they voted. It did not say they moved again in, Cleta, did it?
Mitchell: No, however I imply, we’re trying on the voter registration. Once more, if in case you have further information, we have been asking for that, however you have not shared any of that with us. You simply maintain saying you investigated the allegations.
Trump: Cleta, plenty of it you do not should be shared. I imply, to be sincere, they need to share it. They need to share it since you wish to get to an sincere election.
I received this election by a whole lot of hundreds of votes. There isn’t any method I misplaced Georgia. There isn’t any method. We received by a whole lot of hundreds of votes. I am simply going by small numbers, whenever you add them up, they’re many instances the 11,000. However I received that state by a whole lot of hundreds of votes.
Do you assume it is attainable that they shredded ballots in Fulton County? As a result of that is what the rumor is. And likewise that Dominion took out machines. That Dominion is de facto shifting quick to do away with their, uh, equipment.
Are you aware something about that? As a result of that is unlawful, proper?
Trump instructed that Raffensberger and his common counsel Ryan Germany (pictured) may very well be topic to felony legal responsibility in the event that they failed to search out that hundreds of ballots forged in Fulton County had been illegally destroyed – regardless of no proof supporting that allegation
Germany: That is Ryan Germany. No, Dominion has not moved any equipment out of Fulton County.
Trump: However have they moved the interior elements of the machines and changed them with different elements?
Trump: Are you certain, Ryan?
Germany: I am certain. I am certain, Mr. President.
Trump: What about, what concerning the ballots. The shredding of the ballots. Have they been shredding ballots?
Germany: The one investigation that now we have into that — they haven’t been shredding any ballots. There was a difficulty in Cobb County the place they had been doing regular workplace shredding, eliminating outdated stuff, and we investigated that. However these things from, , from previous elections.
Trump: It would not cross the odor take a look at as a result of we hear they’re shredding hundreds and hundreds of ballots, and now what they’re saying, ‘Oh, we’re simply cleansing up the workplace.’ You understand.
Raffensperger: Mr. President, the issue you have got with social media, they — folks can say something.
Trump: Oh this is not social media. That is Trump media. It is not social media. It is actually not; it is not social media. I do not care about social media. I could not care much less. Social media is Huge Tech. Huge Tech is in your aspect, . I do not even know why you have got a aspect since you ought to wish to have an correct election. And you are a Republican.
Raffensperger: We consider that we do have an correct election.
Trump: No, no you do not. No, no you do not. You do not have. Not even shut. You are off by a whole lot of hundreds of votes. And simply on the small numbers, you are off on these numbers, and these numbers cannot be simply — effectively, why wont? — Okay. So that you despatched us into Cobb County for signature verification, proper? You despatched us into Cobb County, which we did not wish to go into. And also you mentioned it could be open to the general public. So we had our consultants there, they weren’t allowed into the room. However we did not need Cobb County. We wished Fulton County. And also you would not give it to us. Now, why aren’t we doing signature — and why cannot or not it’s open to the general public?
And why cannot now we have professionals do it as an alternative of rank amateurs who won’t ever discover something and do not wish to discover something? They do not wish to discover, they do not wish to discover something. Sometime you will inform me the explanation why, as a result of I do not perceive your reasoning, however sometime you will inform me the explanation why. However why do not you wish to discover?
Germany: Mr. President, we selected Cobb County —
Trump: Why do not you wish to discover . . . What?
Germany: Sorry, go forward.
Trump: So why did you do Cobb County? We did not even request — we requested Fulton County, not Cobb County. Go forward, please. Go forward.
Germany: We selected Cobb County as a result of that was the one county the place there’s been any proof submitted that the signature verification was not correctly achieved.
Trump: No, however I instructed you. We’re not, we’re not saying that.
Mitchell: We did say that.
Trump: Fulton County. Look. Stacey, in my view, Stacey is as dishonest as they arrive. She has outplayed you . . . at every part. She bought you to signal a completely unconstitutional settlement, which is a disastrous settlement. You possibly can’t verify signatures. I can not think about you are allowed to do harvesting, I suppose, in that settlement. That settlement is a catastrophe for this nation. However she bought you someway to signal that factor, and he or she has outsmarted you at each step.
And I hate to think about what is going on to occur on Monday or Tuesday, nevertheless it’s very scary to folks. You understand, when the ballots stream in out of nowhere. It is very scary to folks. That consent decree is a catastrophe. It is a catastrophe. An excellent lawyer who examined it mentioned they’ve by no means seen something prefer it.
Raffensperger: Harvesting remains to be unlawful within the state of Georgia. And that settlement settlement didn’t change that one iota.
Trump: It is not a settlement settlement, it is a consent decree. It even says consent decree on it, would not it? It makes use of the time period consent decree. It would not say settlement settlement. It is a consent decree. It is a catastrophe.
Raffensperger: It is a settlement settlement.
Trump: What’s written on prime of it?
Germany: I haven’t got it in entrance of me, nevertheless it was not entered by the courtroom, it is not a courtroom order.
Trump: However Ryan, it is referred to as a consent decree, is that proper? On the paper. Is that proper?
Germany: I do not. I do not. I do not consider so, however I haven’t got it in entrance of me.
Trump: Okay, no matter, it is a catastrophe. It is a catastrophe. Look. Here is the issue. We are able to undergo signature verification, and we’ll discover a whole lot of hundreds of signatures, if you happen to allow us to do it. And the one method you are able to do it, as , is to go to the previous. However you did not try this in Cobb County. You simply checked out one web page in comparison with one other. The one method you are able to do a signature verification is go from the one which signed it on November no matter. Lately. And examine it to 2 years in the past, 4 years in the past, six years in the past, , and even one. And you will find that you’ve many various signatures. However in Fulton, the place they dumped ballots, one can find that you’ve many that are not even signed and you’ve got many which can be forgeries.
Okay, that. You understand that. You haven’t any doubt about that. And one can find you can be at 11,779 inside minutes as a result of Fulton County is completely corrupt, and so is she completely corrupt.
They usually’re going round enjoying you and laughing at you behind your again, Brad, whether or not it or not, they’re laughing at you. And you have taken a state that is a Republican state, and you have made it nearly not possible for a Republican to win due to dishonest, as a result of they cheated like no one’s ever cheated earlier than. And I do not care how lengthy it takes me, , we’ll produce other states coming ahead — fairly good.
However I will not . . . that is by no means . . . that is . . . We’ve some unimaginable expertise mentioned they’ve by no means seen something . . . Now the issue is that they want extra time for the massive numbers. However they’re very substantial numbers. However I believe you are going to effective that they — by the way in which, somewhat info — I believe you are going to discover that they’re shredding ballots as a result of they need to do away with the ballots as a result of the ballots are unsigned. The ballots are corrupt, and so they’re model new, and so they do not have seals, and there is a entire factor with the ballots. However the ballots are corrupt.
And you’re going to discover that they’re — which is completely unlawful — it’s extra unlawful for you than it’s for them as a result of, , what they did and you are not reporting it. That is a felony, that is a felony offense. And you may’t let that occur. That is an enormous danger to you and to Ryan, your lawyer. And that is an enormous danger. However they’re shredding ballots, in my view, primarily based on what I’ve heard. And they’re eradicating equipment, and so they’re shifting it as quick as they’ll, each of that are felony finds. And you may’t let it occur, and you might be letting it occur. You understand, I imply, I am notifying you that you just’re letting it occur. So look. All I wish to do is that this. I simply wish to discover 11,780 votes, which is another than now we have as a result of we received the state.
And flipping the state is a superb testomony to our nation as a result of, , that is — it is a testomony that they’ll admit to a mistake or no matter you wish to name it. If it was a mistake, I do not know. Lots of people assume it wasn’t a mistake. It was way more felony than that. But it surely’s an enormous drawback in Georgia, and it is not an issue that is going away. I imply, , it is not an issue that is going away.
Germany: That is Ryan. We’re trying into each a type of issues that you just talked about.
Trump: Good. However if you happen to discover it, you have to say it, Ryan.
Germany: . . . Let me inform you what we’re seeing. What we’re seeing is under no circumstances what you are describing. These are investigators from our workplace, these are investigators from GBI, and so they’re trying, and so they’re good. And that is not what they’re seeing. And we’ll maintain trying, in any respect this stuff.
Trump: Properly, you higher verify on the ballots as a result of they’re shredding ballots, Ryan. I am simply telling you, Ryan. They’re shredding ballots. And you must take a look at that very fastidiously. As a result of that is so unlawful. You understand, you could not even consider it as a result of it is so unhealthy. However they’re shredding ballots as a result of they assume we’ll finally get there . . . as a result of we’ll finally get into Fulton. For my part, it is by no means too late. . . . So, that is the story. Look, we want solely 11,000 votes. We’ve are excess of that because it stands now. We’ll have increasingly. And . . . do you have got provisional ballots in any respect, Brad? Provisional ballots?
Raffensperger: Provisional ballots are allowed by state legislation.
Trump: Positive, however I imply, are they counted, or did you simply maintain them again as a result of they, , in different phrases, what number of provisional ballots do you have got within the state?
Raffensperger: We’ll get you that quantity.
Trump: As a result of most of them are made out to the identify Trump. As a result of these are folks that had been scammed after they got here in. And now we have hundreds of folks that have testified or that wish to testify. Once they got here in, they had been proudly going to vote on November 3. They usually had been instructed, ‘I am sorry, you have already been voted for, you have already voted.’ The ladies, males began screaming, ‘No. I proudly voted until November 3.’ They mentioned, ‘I am sorry, however you have already been voted for, and you’ve got a poll.’ And these individuals are beside themselves. So that they went out, and so they crammed in a provisional poll, placing the identify Trump on it.
And what about that batch of army ballots that got here in. And though I received the army by so much, it was 100% Trump. I imply 100% Biden. Are you aware about that? A big group of ballots got here in, I believe it was to Fulton County, and so they simply occurred to be 100% for Trump — for Biden — though Trump received the army by so much, , an amazing quantity. However these ballots had been 100% for Biden. And have you learnt about that? A really substantial quantity got here in, all for Biden. Does anyone learn about it?
Mitchell: I learn about it, however —
Trump: Okay, Cleta, I am not asking you, Cleta, actually. I am asking Brad. Are you aware concerning the army ballots that now we have confirmed now. Are you aware concerning the army ballots that got here in that had been 100%, I imply 100%, for Biden. Are you aware about that?
Germany: I do not learn about that. I do know that now we have, when army ballots are available in, it is not simply army, it is also army and abroad residents. The army a part of that does usually go Republican. The abroad citizen a part of it usually goes very Democrat. This was a mixture of ’em.
Trump: No, however this was. That is okay. However I bought like 78 p.c of the army. These ballots had been all for . . . They did not inform me abroad. May very well be abroad, too, however I get votes abroad, too, Ryan, in all equity. No they got here in, a big batch got here in, and it was, quote, 100% for Biden. And that’s felony. You understand, that is felony. Okay. That is one other felony, that is one other of the numerous felony occasions, many felony occasions right here.
I do not know, look, Brad. I bought to get . . . I’ve to search out 12,000 votes, and I’ve them instances so much. And due to this fact, I received the state. That is earlier than we go to the following step, which is within the strategy of proper now. You understand, and I watched you this morning, and also you mentioned, effectively, there was no criminality.
However I imply all of these items may be very harmful stuff. While you speak about no criminality, I believe it’s extremely harmful so that you can say that.
I simply, I simply do not know why you do not wish to have the votes counted as they’re. Like even you whenever you went and did that verify. And I used to be shocked as a result of, . . . And we discovered just a few thousand votes that had been towards me. I used to be truly shocked as a result of the way in which that verify was achieved, all you are doing, , recertifying present votes and, , and you got votes and also you simply counted them up, and you continue to discovered 3,000 that had been unhealthy. In order that was type of shocking that it got here down to 3 or 5, I do not know. Nonetheless plenty of votes. However you need to return to verify from previous years with respect to signatures. And if you happen to verify with Fulton County, you will have a whole lot of hundreds as a result of they dumped ballots into Fulton County and the opposite county subsequent to it.
So what are we going to do right here, of us? I solely want 11,000 votes. Fellas, I want 11,000 votes. Give me a break. You understand, now we have that in spades already. Or we will maintain it going, however that is not honest to the voters of Georgia as a result of they will see what occurred, and they will see what occurred. I imply, I am going to, I am going to tackle anyone you need with regard to [name] and her pretty daughter, a really pretty younger woman, I am certain. However, however [name] . . . I’ll tackle anyone you need. And the minimal, there have been 18,000 ballots, however they used them 3 times. In order that’s, , plenty of votes. They usually had been all to Biden, by the way in which, that is the opposite factor we did not say. You understand, [name] , the one factor I forgot to say, which was a very powerful. You understand that each single poll she did went to Biden. You understand that, proper? Are you aware that, by the way in which, Brad?
Each single poll that she did via the machines at early, early within the morning went to Biden. Do you know that, Ryan?
Germany: That is not correct, Mr. President.
Trump: Huh. What’s correct?
Germany: The numbers that we’re exhibiting are correct.
Trump: No, about [name] . About early within the morning, Ryan. The place the girl took, , when the entire gang took the stuff from underneath the desk, proper? Are you aware, have you learnt who these ballots, have you learnt who they had been made out to, have you learnt who they had been voting for?
Germany: No, not particularly.
Trump: Did you ever verify?
Germany: We did what I described to you earlier —
Trump: No no no — did you ever verify the ballots that had been scanned by [name] , a recognized political operative, balloteer? Did ever verify who these votes had been for?
Germany: We appeared into that state of affairs that you just described.
Trump: No, they had been 100% for Biden. 100%. There wasn’t a Trump vote in the entire group. Why do not you wish to discover this, Ryan? What’s incorrect with you? I heard your lawyer may be very tough, truly, however I am certain you are a good lawyer. You’ve a pleasant final identify.
However, however I am simply curious, why would not, why do you retain preventing this factor? It simply would not make sense. We’re method over the 17,779, proper? We’re method over that quantity, and simply if you happen to took simply [name] , we’re over that quantity by 5, 5 – 6 instances whenever you multiply that instances three.
And each single poll went to Biden, and also you did not know that, however now it. So inform me, Brad, what are we going to do? We received the election, and it is not honest to take it away from us like this. And it will be very expensive in some ways. And I believe you need to say that you will reexamine it, and you may reexamine it, however reexamine it with folks that wish to discover solutions, not folks that do not wish to discover solutions. For example, I am listening to Ryan that he is most likely, I am certain an excellent lawyer and every part, however he is making statements about these ballots that he would not know. However he is making them with such — he did make them with surety. However now I believe he is much less certain as a result of the reply is, all of them went to Biden, and that alone wins us the election by so much. You understand, so.
Raffensperger: Mr. President, you have got folks that submit info, and now we have our folks that submit info. After which it comes earlier than the courtroom, and the courtroom then has to make a willpower. We’ve to face by our numbers. We consider our numbers are proper.
Trump: Why do you say that, although? I do not know. I imply, certain, we will play this recreation with the courts, however why do you say that? To begin with, they do not even assign us a choose. They do not even assign us a choose. However why would not you . . . Hey Brad, why would not you wish to try [name] ? And why would not you wish to say, hey, if in reality, President Trump is correct about that, then he wins the state of Georgia, simply that one incident alone with out going via a whole lot of hundreds of dropped ballots. You simply say, you stick by, I imply I have been watching you, , you do not care about something. ‘Your numbers are proper.’ However your numbers aren’t proper. They’re actually incorrect, and so they’re actually incorrect, Brad. And I do know this cellphone name goes nowhere aside from, aside from finally, — Look, finally, I win, okay? Since you guys are so incorrect. And also you handled this. You handled the inhabitants of Georgia so badly. You, between you and your governor, who’s down at 21, he was down 21 factors. And like a schmuck, I endorsed him, and he bought elected, however I’ll inform you, he’s a catastrophe.
The individuals are so indignant in Georgia, I can not think about he is ever getting elected once more, I am going to inform you that a lot proper now. However why would not you wish to discover the fitting reply, Brad, as an alternative of maintain saying that the numbers are proper? ‘Trigger these numbers are so incorrect?
Mitchell: Mr. Secretary, Mr. President, one of many issues that now we have been, Alex can speak about this, we talked about it, and I do not know whether or not the data has been conveyed to your workplace, however I believe what the president is saying, and what we have been attempting to do is to say, look, the courtroom shouldn’t be appearing on our petition. They have not even assigned a choose. However the folks of Georgia and the folks of America have a proper to know the solutions. And you’ve got knowledge and information that we do not have entry to.
And you may maintain telling us and making public assertion that you just investigated this and nothing to see right here. However we do not learn about that. All we all know is what you inform us. What I do not perceive is why would not or not it’s in everybody’s finest curiosity to attempt to get to the underside, examine the numbers, , if you happen to say, as a result of . . . to strive to have the ability to get to the reality as a result of we have no method of confirming what you are telling us. You inform us that you just had an investigation on the State Farm Area. I haven’t got any report. I’ve by no means seen a report of investigation. I do not know that’s. I have been fairly concerned on this, and I do not know. And that is simply considered one of 25 classes. And it would not even. And as I, because the president mentioned, we have not even gotten into the Dominion subject. That is not a part of our case. It is not a part of, we simply did not really feel as if we had any to have the ability to develop —
Trump: No, we do have a method, however I do not wish to get into it. We discovered a method . . . excuse me, however we do not want it as a result of we’re solely down 11,000 votes, so we do not even want it. I personally assume they’re corrupt as hell. However we do not want that. All now we have to do, Cleta, is locate 11,000-plus votes. So we do not want that. I am not seeking to shake up the entire world. We received Georgia simply. We received it by a whole lot of hundreds of votes. However if you happen to go by primary, easy numbers, we received it simply, simply. So we’re not giving Dominion a cross on the report. We do not want Dominion as a result of now we have so many different votes that we needn’t show it any greater than we have already got.
Trump legal professional Kurt Hilbert: Mr. President and Cleta, that is Kurt Hilbert, if I’d interject for a second. Ryan, I want to recommend that simply 4 classes which have already been talked about by the president which have truly arduous numbers of 24,149 votes that had been counted illegally. That in and of itself is adequate to vary the outcomes or place the end result unsure. We want to sit down together with your workplace, and we will do it via functions of compromise and identical to this cellphone name, simply to cope with that restricted class of votes. And if you’ll be able to set up that our numbers aren’t correct, then effective. Nonetheless, we consider that they’re correct. We have had now three to 4 separate consultants these numbers.
Trump: Licensed accountants checked out them.
Hilbert: Right. And that is simply primarily based on USPS knowledge and your individual secretary of state knowledge. So that is what we might entreat and ask you to do, to take a seat down with us in a compromise and settlements continuing and truly undergo the registered voter IDs and the registrations. And if you happen to can persuade us that 24,149 is inaccurate, then effective. However we are likely to consider that’s, , clearly greater than 11,779. That is adequate to vary the outcomes completely in and of itself. So what would you say to that, Mr. Germany?
Germany: I am joyful to get with our legal professionals, and we’ll set that up. That quantity shouldn’t be correct. And I believe we will present you, for all those we have checked out, why it is not. And so if that may be useful, I am joyful to get with our legal professionals and set that up with you guys.
Trump: Properly, let me ask you, Kurt, you assume that’s an correct quantity. That was primarily based on the data given to you by the secretary of state’s division, proper?
Hilbert: That’s appropriate. That info is the minimal, most conservative knowledge primarily based upon the USPS knowledge and the secretary of state’s workplace knowledge that has been made publicly obtainable. We should not have the interior numbers from the secretary of state. But now we have requested for it six instances. I despatched a letter over to . . . a number of instances requesting this info, and it has been rebuffed each single time. So it stands to purpose that if the data shouldn’t be forthcoming, there’s one thing to cover. That is the issue that now we have.
Germany: Properly, that is not the case, sir. There are issues that you just guys are entitled to get. And there is issues that underneath legislation, we aren’t allowed to provide out.
Trump: Properly, you need to. Properly, underneath legislation, you are not allowed to provide defective election outcomes, okay? You are not allowed to do this. And that is what you achieved. It is a defective election consequence. And actually, this could go very quick. You need to meet tomorrow as a result of you have got an enormous election arising, and due to what you have achieved to the president — , the folks of Georgia know that this was a rip-off — and due to what you have achieved to the president, lots of people aren’t going out to vote. And plenty of Republicans are going to vote detrimental as a result of they hate what you probably did to the president. Okay? They hate it. And they will vote. And you’d be revered. Actually revered, if this factor may very well be straightened out earlier than the election. You’ve an enormous election arising on Tuesday. And I believe that it’s actually is vital that you just meet tomorrow and work out on these numbers. As a result of I do know, Brad, that if you happen to assume we’re proper, I believe you are going to say, and I am not seeking to blame anyone, I am simply saying, , and, , underneath new counts, and underneath new views, of the election outcomes, we received the election. You understand? It is quite simple. We received the election. Because the governors of main states and the encompassing states mentioned, there is no such thing as a method you misplaced Georgia. Because the Georgia politicians say, there is no such thing as a method you misplaced Georgia. No person. Everybody is aware of I received it by a whole lot of hundreds of votes. However I am going to inform you it will have a huge impact on Tuesday if you happen to guys do not get this factor straightened out quick.
Meadows: Mr. President, that is Mark. It appears like we have got two totally different sides agreeing that we will take a look at these areas, and I assume that we will try this throughout the subsequent 24 to 48 hours, to go forward and get that reconciled in order that we will take a look at the 2 claims and ensuring that we get the entry to the secretary of state’s knowledge to both validate or invalidate the claims which were made. Is that appropriate?
Germany: No, that is not what I mentioned. I am joyful to have our legal professionals sit down with Kurt and the legal professionals on that aspect and clarify to him, hey, here is, primarily based on what we have checked out thus far, here is how we all know that is incorrect, that is incorrect, that is incorrect, that is incorrect, that is incorrect.
Meadows: So what you are saying, Ryan, let me let me ensure that . . . so what you are saying is you actually do not wish to give entry to the information. You simply wish to make one other case on why the lawsuit is incorrect?
Germany: I do not assume we can provide entry to knowledge that is protected by legislation. However we will sit down with them and say —
Trump: However you are allowed to have a phony election? You are allowed to have a phony election, proper?
Germany: No, sir.
Trump: When are you going to do signature counts, when are you going to do signature verification on Fulton County, which you mentioned you had been going to do, and now swiftly, you are not doing it. When are you doing that?
Germany: We’re going to try this. We have introduced —
Hilbert: To get to this subject of the non-public info and privateness subject, is it attainable that the secretary of state might deputize the legal professionals for the president in order that we might entry that info and personal info with out you having any type of violation?
Trump: Properly, I do not wish to know who it’s. You guys can do it very confidentially. You possibly can signal a confidentiality settlement. That is okay. I needn’t know names. However on these things that we’re speaking about, we bought all that info from the secretary of state.
Meadows: Yeah. So let me let me suggest, Ryan, if you happen to and Kurt will get collectively, , once we get off of this cellphone name, if you happen to might get collectively and work out a plan to handle a few of what we have got together with your attorneys the place we will we will truly take a look at the information. For instance, Mr. Secretary, I are you able to say they had been solely two useless individuals who would vote. I can promise you there are greater than that. And that could be what your investigation exhibits, however I can promise you there are greater than that. However on the similar time, I believe it is vital that we go forward and transfer expeditiously to strive to do that and resolve it as shortly as we probably can. And if that is the great subsequent step. Hopefully we will, we will end this cellphone name and go forward and agree that the 2 of you’ll get collectively instantly.
Trump: Properly, why do not my legal professionals present you the place you bought the data. It is going to present the secretary of state, and you do not even have to take a look at any names. We do not need names. We do not care. However we bought that info from you. And Stacey Abrams is laughing about you. She’s going round saying these guys are dumber than a rock. What she’s achieved to this celebration is unbelievable, I inform you. And I solely ran towards her as soon as. And that was with a man named Brian Kemp, and I beat her. And if I did not run, Brian would not have had even a shot, both within the common or within the main. He was useless, useless as a doornail. He by no means thought he had a shot at both of them. What a schmuck I used to be. However that is the way in which it’s. That is the way in which it’s. I would love you . . . for the attorneys . . . I would such as you to maybe meet with Ryan, ideally tomorrow, as a result of I believe we should always come to a decision of this earlier than the election. In any other case you are going to have folks simply not voting. They do not wish to vote. They hate the state, they hate the governor, and so they hate the secretary of state. I’ll inform you that proper now. The one folks that like you might be folks that can by no means vote for you. You understand that, Brad, proper? They such as you, , they such as you. They cannot consider what they discovered. They need extra folks such as you. So, look, are you able to get collectively tomorrow? And, Brad, we simply need the reality. It is easy.
And everybody’s going to look superb if the reality comes out. It is okay. It takes a short while, however let the reality come out. And the actual reality is, I received by 400,000 votes. A minimum of. That is the actual reality. However we do not want 400,000 votes. We’d like lower than 2,000 votes. And are you guys capable of meet tomorrow, Ryan?
Germany: I am going to get with Chris, the lawyer who’s representing us within the case, and see when he can get along with Kurt.
Raffensperger: Ryan can be in contact with the opposite legal professional on this name, Mr. Meadows. Thanks, President Trump, on your time.
Trump: Okay, thanks, Brad. Thanks, Ryan. Thanks. Thanks, everyone. Thanks very a lot. Bye.